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What is the best way for orks to deal with Land Raiders?

Zzap guns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SAG and pray for a 12 is also effective no?


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Also, while not at range, but anyone with a high S and a power klaw. Just recently I saw Snikrot take down a landraider (IIRC) and several other vehicles in a few turns. 4 S10 attacks agains a LR is not too bad, plus the "I'm commin in from any side of the board is quite effective as well...

I do believe that Snikrot is only str 5. He cannot "take down" a land raider.

If you're playing orks and your opponent has one land raider, you might be able to sacrifice a biker boss to kill it, if he's not smart about moving it more than 6" per turn. If your opponent is bringing lots... well then good luck.

If you have a way to get them there, tankhammers might work, being S10. Other than that, S10/S9 from a charging Warboss/Nob is your best bet. Of course, there's probably only going to be a single Warboss at most, so little redundancy. Another possibility, albeit not a reliable or effective one is a Warphead.

Ghazghkull is almost guaranteed to take out a LR.

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:Ghazghkull is almost guaranteed to take out a LR.

Yah but he is slow and almost as many points as a raider
you could ram it with that front plate that gives you S10

What about Wrecking Balls on Trukks?

50% chance to hit (if you first satisfy the not-moving too far requirement), 16.6667% chance of a glance (which does basically nothing), 16.6667% of a pen, then a 33% chance of killing it.

Not good odds. You're better off with a boarding plank which would allow the nob/WB a chance to use all of their attacks.

The one glaring weakness of the ork codex is no melta weapons.

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:Ghazghkull is almost guaranteed to take out a LR.

If your opponent allows him to get within charge range while moving 6" or less.

7 attacks, 3.5 hits, so statistically .6 pens and .6 glances (approximations).... not good odds, even if your player allows ghaz to hit the raider while moving slowly.

willydstyle wrote:7 attacks, 3.5 hits, so statistically .6 pens and .6 glances (approximations).... not good odds, even if your player allows ghaz to hit the raider while moving slowly.

Exactly. If the LR driver is competent and making sure Ghaz only hits on 6's, then those numbers get even worse.

I use my personal favourite 'Suicide Tactics'.

Here it is:

1) Get a fast vehicle, (higher AV, the better, or a unit of 3 if you fancy some super-heavy-destruction)

2) Get it to about 24" away from the tough vehicle

3) Ram it from 24"!

4) The ensuing damage is Str 8 from speed, and +1 for each point over 10 on the AV. More than enough for a land raider kill!

sadly, fast vehicles (not skimmers) can only move 18" unless you happen to have a road. So the most a trukk will ever get is S6 on the ram.

Can trucks even ram are they tanks?

No, Trukks cannot ram because they are not tanks. Even a Trukk with the Reinforced Ram wargear can only Tank Shock.

Tankbustas

Deff Rollas

Massed RL fire

Massed PK attacks

Wrecking balls

SAG

Deff Rollas won't work. Your Tournament Organizer may think otherwise, but don't plan your anti-tank around their whims.

For 40 points you get can get a looted wagon with a red paint job for a cheap suicide ram vehicle. If you want some insurance, for another 95, you get 4 tankbustas and a nob with 6 S10 attacks, 4 S9 attacks, and 2 S2d6+6 attacks. Thats relatively cheap, and two transport and tankbusta groups like this is only 270. The big drawbacks are this is most of your elite and heavy support slots and it is still unreliable.

I like nobz, with power klaws they've taken out my Land Raider too many times for me to allow them to live...put a warboss in there and you've got a certain wreck.

Really the thing you need to ask is "how and when to choose my battles"
Its a LR, are they scary? Depends on how they are equipped. I play Orks too, and really Ive yet to see a LR that just kicks the piss out of my boyz so badly I need to divert my attention to it. Any competent SM player will ALWAYS move the tank more then 6" if you are remotely close to tag it in a CC assault. Sorry but relying on rolls of 6 isnt going to cut it. The only real way to take them out is to shoot them, and we really only have Zzap guns and boom cannons that can do it. Zzaps are pretty un reliable but like a SAG CAN do it if you roll well.
Id personally just ignore it. If you get a chance to really hit that sucker hard, then go for it. Other wise, pretend it isnt there and go for the throat. That way if your successful, you might make the SM player forget about the LR for just one turn, and POW thats when you take it out.

augustus5 wrote:Tankbustas

Deff Rollas

Massed RL fire

Massed PK attacks

Wrecking balls

SAG

Don't forget Dreadnought Close Combat Weapons.

Rokkits. On everything. And MegaBlastas. As much S8 shooting as possible; it'll only Glance, but LRs aren't Monoliths and can be Glanced to death. Getting 20+ S8 shots per turn into a 1500pt Ork list is easy to do without disturbing the overall constitution of the list much. On the other hand, if your oppo wants to take Land Raiders at 1500pts, he has to build his list around them.

That takes care of the Land Raiders; only problem you have left is dealing with whatever else he brings

Even 20 rokkit shots per turn has a very low probability of taking out a land raider. You've got a better chance of assaulting it with a nob that needs 6s to hit. Tank bustaz aren't that good because a smart marine player will lead them around by the nose or just ignore them outright. They're not that good at taking out land raiders. PK warbosses and nobs can do it but if your opponent is smart he'll move them 6" every turn.

Deffrollaz are the only somewhat reliable way to kill a land raider that we have. Unfortunately, some people are now ruling that deffrollaz don't work on tanks. In my area I've never had it happen at a tournament and pointing out the line in the rulebook that says "ramming is a special form of tank shock" is all it takes to convince anyone who tries to argue that you can't use the deffrolla on a land raider. GW has never released a faq so people are still arguing about it. The only leg that the "deffrollaz don't work on tanks" crowd has to stand on is that some rules guy has been emailing people saying that it doesn't work. He's been wrong before (ie he says one thing and then the faq is released that contradicts what he said) and his opinion is not considered an official ruling by GW so I still don't buy it.

artyboy wrote:Deffrollaz are the only somewhat reliable way to kill a land raider that we have.

Yes; their only problem is that a lot of people don't accept that they work on vehicles.

Unfortunately, some people are now ruling that deffrollaz don't work on tanks.

Some of those people are the people writing the house rules for the UK GT; which, while it ain't an official ruling per se, is good enough for me to accept that Deffrollas don't hurt vehicles.

Also the fact that people from GW have continually stated that Deffrollas don't work on vehicles.


Another thing worth mentioning about them is, even assuming they DO work on vehicles, they don't work if I Ram you.

I play Orks, and I thikn its insane that people think it CAN hurt another vehicle. The deffrolla is designed to squich troops on the ground. ITs a steam roller basically. The fact that people read the rules for it, and spin it so it CAN attack vehicles are just cheaters that have that win at all costs type of attitude

KingCracker wrote:I play Orks, and I thikn its insane that people think it CAN hurt another vehicle. The deffrolla is designed to squich troops on the ground. ITs a steam roller basically. The fact that people read the rules for it, and spin it so it CAN attack vehicles are just cheaters that have that win at all costs type of attitude

I don't think that's correct. There's no point in speculating on people's motive, or assigning an attitude based on error. I think that most of the people who believe the rules sanction Deff Rolla attacks against vehicles do so honestly. That they themselves may benefit from such a reading is irrelevant to the facts, and supposing otherwise is a legalistic fallacy.

What about killa kans with Kustom Mega blasters? That's s8.

if all else fails you could try to box it in somehow if they only have one.

Nurglitch wrote:

KingCracker wrote:I play Orks, and I thikn its insane that people think it CAN hurt another vehicle. The deffrolla is designed to squich troops on the ground. ITs a steam roller basically. The fact that people read the rules for it, and spin it so it CAN attack vehicles are just cheaters that have that win at all costs type of attitude

I don't think that's correct. There's no point in speculating on people's motive, or assigning an attitude based on error. I think that most of the people who believe the rules sanction Deff Rolla attacks against vehicles do so honestly. That they themselves may benefit from such a reading is irrelevant to the facts, and supposing otherwise is a legalistic fallacy.

I don't play orks, and there are several battle-wagon orks players in these parts, and I think that the rules support using the deff rolla against vehicles, despite the fact that it is only detrimental to my games against orks.

starbomber109 wrote:What about killa kans with Kustom Mega blasters? That's s8.

if all else fails you could try to box it in somehow if they only have one.

If the KMB were AP1 it would be worth a damn, but rokkits are cheaper and just as good against most targets, unfortunately not AV14 vehicles though.

Either avoid it, or kill it with PK's.

As the orks BS is so low i dont like the idea of spending the points on a Zzzap gun.

I'd rather spend the points on PK's or more meat shielding to make sure my Pks get there.