New Vallejo Game Colors - Including "Heavy" Colors

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**Ghaz**

From Alliance Games:

VAL 72140 Game Color Heavy Skintone $2.99
VAL 72141 Game Color Heavy Red $2.99
VAL 72142 Game Color Heavy Violet $2.99
VAL 72143 Game Color Heavy Blue $2.99
VAL 72144 Game Color Heavy Bluegrey $2.99
VAL 72145 Game Color Heavy Grey $2.99
VAL 72146 Game Color Heavy Green $2.99
VAL 72147 Game Color Heavy Blackgreen $2.99
VAL 72148 Game Color Heavy Wamgrey $2.99
VAL 72149 Game Color Heavy Khaki $2.99
VAL 72150 Game Color Heavy Ochre $2.99
VAL 72151 Game Color Heavy Goldbrown $2.99
VAL 72152 Game Color Heavy Orange $2.99
VAL 72153 Game Color Heavy Brown $2.99
VAL 72154 Game Color Heavy Sienna $2.99
VAL 72155 Game Color Heavy Charcoal $2.99

VAL 73200 Game Color Sepia Wash $2.99
VAL 73201 Game Color Black Wash $2.99
VAL 73202 Game Color Pale Grey Wash $2.99
VAL 73203 Game Color Umber Wash $2.99
VAL 73204 Game Color Flesh Wash $2.99
VAL 73205 Game Color Green Wash $2.99
VAL 73206 Game Color Red Wash $2.99
VAL 73207 Game Color Blue Wash $2.99

So does anyone have any information on what these "Heavy" colors are? So far I've not been able to dig up any information on them.

**Brian2112**

I'm going to post a guess. They will be new paints with more pigment and are probably designed to compete with the GW Foundation series paints.

**RogueMarket**

Hahh Vallejo FTw.

**H.B.M.C.**

Devlan... Devlan... Devlan.

Nope. No Devlan Mud.

Pass.

**Kanluwen**

Why call it "Devlan Mud" when you can call it what it really is...

PALE GREY WASH!!!11!!

Mystery solved.

We win the internets, yay!

**LunaHound**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Devlan... Devlan... Devlan.

Nope. No Devlan Mud.

Pass.

Vallejo have something better than Devlan mud :x

actually even vallejo brown + water works like devlan mud >.>

**Neil**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Devlan... Devlan... Devlan.

Nope. No Devlan Mud.

Pass.

Devlan Mud would be trademarked or something presumably, but the conversion would likely be:

VAL 73200 Game Color Sepia Wash $2.99 -> gryphonne sepia
VAL 73201 Game Color Black Wash $2.99 -> badab black
VAL 73202 Game Color Pale Grey Wash $2.99
VAL 73203 Game Color Umber Wash $2.99 -> Devlan Mud
VAL 73204 Game Color Flesh Wash $2.99 -> ogryn flesh
VAL 73205 Game Color Green Wash $2.99 -> thraka green
VAL 73206 Game Color Red Wash $2.99 -> baal red
VAL 73207 Game Color Blue Wash $2.99 -> asurmen blue

Pale Grey Wash doesn't really line up with Leviathan Purple.. actually I don't quite get how Pale Grey is a colour that can be a wash.

(Edit - Kanluwen - I thought devlan mud was more of a dark brown than grey, with umber (presumably raw umber) being the closest on the list)

The real question is whether these paints will have the same properties as the GW foundations & washes.

**Sidstyler**

LunaHound wrote:Vallejo have something better than Devlan mud :x

actually even vallejo brown + water works like devlan mud >.>

!!!

We've found a witch, may we burn her?

**LunaHound**

Sidstyler wrote:
LunaHound wrote:Vallejo have something better than Devlan mud :x

actually even vallejo brown + water works like devlan mud >.>

!!!

We've found a witch, may we burn her?

Nooo , dont burn me. I'll just go back to pretending i use GW paint , and do blending / do layers , multiple coats of thin paints.

**H.B.M.C.**

Using only GW brushes, like their new range of Horse and Chariot brushes.

**malfred**

Neil wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Devlan... Devlan... Devlan.

Nope. No Devlan Mud.

Pass.

Devlan Mud would be trademarked or something presumably, but the conversion would likely be:

VAL 73200 Game Color Sepia Wash $2.99 -> gryphonne sepia
VAL 73201 Game Color Black Wash $2.99 -> badab black
VAL 73202 Game Color Pale Grey Wash $2.99
VAL 73203 Game Color Umber Wash $2.99 -> Devlan Mud
VAL 73204 Game Color Flesh Wash $2.99 -> ogryn flesh
VAL 73205 Game Color Green Wash $2.99 -> thraka green
VAL 73206 Game Color Red Wash $2.99 -> baal red
VAL 73207 Game Color Blue Wash $2.99 -> asurmen blue

Pale Grey Wash doesn't really line up with Leviathan Purple.. actually I don't quite get how Pale Grey is a colour that can be a wash.

(Edit - Kanluwen - I thought devlan mud was more of a dark brown than grey, with umber (presumably raw umber) being the closest on the list)

The real question is whether these paints will have the same properties as the GW foundations & washes.

I'm guessing Pale Grey would be like Payne's Gray.

The_Secret_Ingredient:_Paynes_Grey_(by_Iffy)

**Mattlov**

A Pale Grey Wash would be AWESOME. Easy to shade white without having to water down a paint or black wash? Yes please.

**Wayfarer**

This will be good for the crowd who normally use vallejo alternatives anyway. Generally higher pigment concentration, dropper bottles, and better price to volume ratio.

**Mistress of minis**

Thanks for the heads up on this- its not even on the Vallejo website yet.

A note- the standard Vallejo bottles are 17ml, the GW pots are 12. And it looks like the Vallejo has a lower base price also.

So- as usual, GW charges more, for less.

Also- for us airbrushers- the 'Heavy paints' may means we get a stronger concentrate, more thinner might be needed- but we'll get more coverage per bottle than we do already.

This is win/win news.

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Also- I wonder if anyone will be selling the new ones as a full set? I better shoot Neal an email ^_^

**Mick A**

Can't wait for these to hit the shelves! The only GW paints I use now are the foundation ones. Vallejo have always had more choice, better coverage on models and always been better value in my opinion...
Mick
(Yes I'm a heritic and proud of it!)

**Agamemnon2**

This is interesting. I noticed these paints at Battlefield Berlin's website a while ago, but nowhere else, they must've had them on preorder for a while.

**Padre**

This is GREAT news... I've been gradually going away from Citadel and converting to Vallejo for months now, and a Vallejo "Foundation" range would be great. Better coverage, more options (extenders, thinners, etc), less wastage, and a far wider range that is BETTER VALUE for money.

Love GW's mini's, but Vallejo paints romp all over Citadel.

**Lorek**

I like the idea of the heavy paints, but since I use a wet palette, I don't see myself using their new washes. If I were to do that, I'll need to get a small dry palette as well.

Grr. And that Pale Grey wash sounds terrific for shading white.

**Khornholio**

Seeing as I can't find Vallejo paints here (and I have already emailed the distributor a couple of times), I'm thinking of switching back to Delta Dreamcoat. (The big 2 oz/ 59 ml. bottles they have at craft stores) Just out of curiosity, does anyone else use these paints? I find them inferior to Vallejo, but way better than the GW stuff.

**oni**

2112 wrote:I'm going to post a guess. They will be new paints with more pigment and are probably designed to compete with the GW Foundation series paints.

I agree. These offering are directly competing with the Citadel foundation paints and washes.

**Janthkin**

Khornholio wrote:Seeing as I can't find Vallejo paints here (and I have already emailed the distributor a couple of times), I'm thinking of switching back to Delta Dreamcoat. (The big 2 oz/ 59 ml. bottles they have at craft stores) Just out of curiosity, does anyone else use these paints? I find them inferior to Vallejo, but way better than the GW stuff.

I airbrush with them, as it's much cheaper than feeding my airbrush with Vallejo paints.

I don't like brush painting with them - they are fairly low pigment, but very think - you have to thin them to the point of near-transparency to get smooth coverage, and end up with more coats than you need.

**Fishboy**

I agree with Janthkin on that one. Their paint also seems a little grainy for me.

**two_heads_talking**

DO NOt!! I repeat.. DO NOT! paint your miniatures with Dreamcoat or applebarrel paints. they are cheap for a reason.

**greenskin lynn**

applebarrel- good when your just learning, but you can look at a mini to hard and it'll start coming off

**CptJake**

"but you can look at a mini to hard and it'll start coming off "

Unless of course you do the smart thing and clear coat your finished work.

**Grunt_For_Christ**

So after reading this whole thread it seems that no one has any new ideas and everyone is copying everyone else. Is this basically it (for philosophy) and hobby paint?

**Miguelsan**

Khornholio wrote:Seeing as I can't find Vallejo paints here (and I have already emailed the distributor a couple of times), I'm thinking of switching back to Delta Dreamcoat. (The big 2 oz/ 59 ml. bottles they have at craft stores) Just out of curiosity, does anyone else use these paints? I find them inferior to Vallejo, but way better than the GW stuff.

Go to Volks, the Kansai stores started carrying Vallejo last winter.
Also for the airbrushers out there Vallejo already has an airbrush line, might be useful.

M.

**GMMStudios**

Iorek wrote:I like the idea of the heavy paints, but since I use a wet palette, I don't see myself using their new washes. If I were to do that, I'll need to get a small dry palette as well.

Grr. And that Pale Grey wash sounds terrific for shading white.

Go get a jar of pickles

Eat the pickles

Save the lid.

I got tired of palettes and I straight use the table now. Its covered by a plastic tablecloth.

EDIT: cant spell..

**Mattlov**

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:So after reading this whole thread it seems that no one has any new ideas and everyone is copying everyone else. Is this basically it (for philosophy) and hobby paint?

It has nothing to do with hobby and paint. Copying is called "Existence."

There is nothing new and original in the world anymore.

Besides, wouldn't you want to copy and steal market share from a competitor? Isn't the point to introduce similar but superior product to drive an opponent out of business?

**gorgon**

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:So after reading this whole thread it seems that no one has any new ideas and everyone is copying everyone else. Is this basically it (for philosophy) and hobby paint?

We're talking about paint fer chrissakes, not advanced microchip design. Vallejo saw there was a market for those kinds of formulations, so they're introducing their own product.

The foundation paints and washes are the only GW paints I buy. I'll definitely give the Vallejo versions a try. And others are right...those cheap craft paints are cheap for a reason. With paint (of any sort), you usually get what you pay for. That's not to say you might not get some good results with them. The point is that your results would likely be better if you started using a higher quality paint.