[1500] Chaos Space Marine Khorne Army!

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**Lord-Loss**

HQ

Kharn the Betrayer:[175]

Elites

3x Terminator squad:[120]
3x combi-melta, Chainfist

3x Terminator squad:[120]
3x combi-melta, Chainfist

3x Terminator squad:[120]
3x combi-melta, Chainfist

Troops

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

Total:[1507pts]

**ThousandSons**

A very straight forward army, hmm... i see only one downside what would you do if your troops are gunned before you reach the opposing army?

**Lord-Loss**

ThousandSons wrote:A very straight forward army, hmm... i see only one downside what would you do if your troops are gunned before you reach the opposing army?

Yeh thats why Im thinking of dropping the termies and two berzerker squads and getting two raptor squads like this:

7x Raptor squad:[200]
Champion, Power fist, 2x meltagun

6x Raptor squad:[180]
Champion, Power fist, 2x meltagun

Then the replacing the two berzerker squads with this:

10x Chaos space marine squad:[235]
2x meltagun, Mark of Khorne, Rhino

10x Chaos space marine squad:[235]
2x meltagun, Mark of Khorne, Rhino

They nearly as good in CC as the berzerkers and they got bolters and some anti-tank.

**grimz**

I'm looking to build as army similar to this aswell...

As far as I can see

10x Chaos space marine squad:[235]
2x meltagun, Mark of Khorne, Rhino

While not as good in CC I think more than make up for it in terms of shooting

**Lord-Loss**

Current list:

HQ

Kharn the Betrayer:[165]

Fast Attack

7x Raptor squad:[200]
Champion, Power fist, 2x meltagun

6x Raptor squad:[180]
Champion, Power fist, 2x meltagun

Troops

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

10x Chaos space marine squad:[235]
2x meltagun, Mark of Khorne, Rhino

10x Chaos space marine squad:[235]
2x meltagun, Mark of Khorne, Rhino

Total:[1491pts]

**grimz**

Kharn is 10pts less if I remember correctly

**Iron_Chaos_Brute**

You do.

**Lord-Loss**

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:You do.

What that meant to mean?

**grimz**

He's agreeing with me

**ThousandSons**

Ahh the deep strike and raptors solve the only problem i found good show and good luck

**Lord-Loss**

This is the final List, Im pretty proud of it:

HQ

Kharn the Betrayer:[165]

Fast Attack

5x Raptor squad:[160]
Champion, Power fist, 2x flamer

5x Raptor squad:[160]
Champion, Power fist, 2x flamer

Troops

9x Khorne Berzerker squad:[264]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

10x Khorne Berzerker squad:[285]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

10x Chaos space marine squad:[235]
2x meltagun, Mark of Khorne, Rhino

10x Chaos space marine squad:[225]
2x meltagun, Mark of Khorne, Rhino
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Total:[1504pts]
Model Count:[50]
Anti-tank:[4 meltagun][4 Power fists][Gorechild]

This is being bought from two battleforces, two Rhinos and two assault marine squads. Thats a total of £186

Ive made a few changes, so Its not too expensive.

**Inigo Montoya**

umm - I see a few problems you might need to address:
With no "large targets" - princes, defilers, 'raiders and such you will lose all four rhinos very quickly. Possibly on 1, no later than 2. Slogging khornate armies are bad.

With the small squad size and no IoCG on the raptors, they are now suicide squads. They dont even have meltas!

Lastly, the berserker squads are too big. vs loyalists, you will kill around 7 on the charge. They will get 1 back. You are going to be left standing.

Nice list, and with a few minor adjustments, it will be solid vs all comers. I would drop the raptors. I would then drop 2 berserkers from each squad, and drop the powerfist champ from kharne's squad for a normal berserker. That frees up 444 points.
2 defilers with 4 x dccw are 300. 144 left. In keeping with the khornate theme, and knowing it is inferior to an unmarkerd variant with warp time (no stinking sorcerers in MY khore army) get a Daemon Prince with MoK and wings. That should be 1500 exactly.

DP - wings, MoK [140]
Kharn [165]

7 berserkers - rhino [182]
8 berserkers - champ w/pf, rhino [243]
10 csm - IoK, 2 x melta, rhino [235]
10 csm - IoK, 2 x melta, rhino [235]

Defiler - 4 x DCCW [150]
Defiler - 4 x DCCW [150]

1500 points

**Lord-Loss**

Im not sure about Defilers, there a real bummer to put together and stand up. Im not sure about them, would dropping Kharn and adding two DP's be better?

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What about this:

HQ

Demon Prince:[155]
Mark of slaanesh, lash of submission

Demon Prince:[155]
Mark of slaanesh, lash of submission

Fast Attack

5x Raptor squad:[170]
Champion, Power fist, 2x meltagun

5x Raptor squad:[170]
Champion, Power fist, 2x meltagun

Troops

10x Khorne Berzerker squad:[285]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

10x Khorne Berzerker squad:[285]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

10x Khorne Berzerker squad:[285]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino
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Total:[1505pts]
Model Count:[42]
Anti-tank:[4 meltagun][5 Power fists][2 Demon Princes]

Thats two big threats, the berzerkers will eat any thing in cc and the raptors pop tanks etc.

**Inigo Montoya**

I would keep kharn. Whoa - I just read the rebuild. Dual lash? If you are doing that, then get 2 x lash princes, 3 x 2 oblits, and the rest plague marines. TOTALLY different build than a kharn smash build.

If you are concerned about building the defilers (very khorny and very useful...) get 2 x 2 obliterators in their place.

**Lord-Loss**

Wouldnt Raptors be better then Obliterators as they assault and pack some melta punch?

This is a pretty fast army, what if my obliterators get left behend and destroyed without support.

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What about this:

HQ

Kharn the Betrayer:[165]

Troops

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Powerfist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Powerfist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Powerfist, Rhino

Fast Attack

5x Raptor squad:[170]
Champion, Powerfist, 2x meltagun

5x Raptor squad:[170]
Champion, Powerfist, 2x meltagun

Heavy Support

Vindicator:[125]
Vindicator:[125]

Total:[1484pts]

The main big threats here are the Vindicators and If my opponents aint shooting the Vindicators there gonna be pulverised next turn.

I think this gives my Berzerkers a fair chance of getting to the enemy, my raptors are my anti-tank and are pretty awesome in assault.

**Inigo Montoya**

Oblits > raptors. Even if they are left behind, they have plasma cannons and las cannons to shoot. 5 raptors will live through 1 turn of an assault. If you really want to take raptors, take 10 with a pf champ, 2 x melta, and an IoCG.

You also don't need that powerfist in kharn's squad. Too many dead on your side of combat. If you dropped tha raptors and extra fist, you could get 3 oblits and posession on both vindies with some points to spare.

Regardless, 5 man raptor squads are going to die really fast. I have a post somewhere here talking about raptors. I have a list I run with 20 of them and it actually works pretty well. Even in 2 x 10 it wasn't working great. At 20 with MoN or MoK they begin to shine. I leave the champ naked and pop a greater daemon out of him in the nurgle build, and he has a powerfist in the khorne build. Not tournament level, but hard and fun. At a competitive level there are just more efficient places to put the points, and good generals with optimized lists will pick you apart for taking overcosted units.

Never fear taking oblits. I cannot think of any reason not to - they are that good. Defilers are good in pairs sometimes, vindies are good in pairs sometimes, havocs are good sometimes. Oblits are the swiss army knife of chaos - they are solid. They are not the *only* choice, but they are always a good choice.

**Lord-Loss**

What about this:

HQ

Kharn the Betrayer:[165]

Troops

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[203]
Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

Heavy Support

2x Obliterator:[150]
2x Obliterator:[150]
2x Obliterator:[150]
Total:[1494pts]

Its harder then I thought to make a competitive Khorne list. I thought cause Berzerkers are pretty solid I wouldnt need Obliterators etc.

Well there is 196pts left, what should I do with it?
More berzerkers? Termicide? Obliterators?

**Bad_Sheep37**

Take 2 Daemon princes with Lash. Its nice knowing that if your rhinos get blown to hell, which they will, you can lash things into assault range with the 2 princes. Ive never had luck with Zerkers in Rhinos...the zerkers are standing around for a whole turn before they can assault. that leaves them open to get destroyed.

Reg CSM with melta weapons are much more effective in rhinos. I love my zerkers dont get me wrong but their not worth it IMO if their not packed into a LR. try dropping a squad of oblits, get a LR for 1 zerker squad, drop the other zerkers and make them reg CSM for the rhinos, then pack in 2 full squads of Oblits. Also take a look at the Daemon princes with Lash.

If you need to make points, only run 2 sqauds of 2 Oblits and not full squads. Their still awesome and effective. I'm just afraid that once you disembark your rhinos with your zerkers that their going to get shot up and that can really hurt your plans. With the Lash princes and a LR, you can get a turn 1 assault.

Just my 37 cents.

**whitedragon**

Bad_Sheep37 wrote:Take 2 Daemon princes with Lash. Its nice knowing that if your rhinos get blown to hell, which they will, you can lash things into assault range with the 2 princes. Ive never had luck with Zerkers in Rhinos...the zerkers are standing around for a whole turn before they can assault. that leaves them open to get destroyed.

Your berzerkers can assault out of rhinos if the rhino doesn't move. Don't disembark the berzerkers until the turn that you actually want them to assault! That prevents them from getting shot.

**Bad_Sheep37**

Good call. But you cant rely on the Rhino to make it through to turn 2. With only 11 armor at its best, almost anything can take it out easy. I would still find a way to put the zerkers in LR...just my preference.

**Inigo Montoya**

LR are overpriced. In an expensive list rhinos have to do.

Hug cover with the rhino and pop smoke the turn before you charge. Don't waste the cost of a squad in a rhino on a single tank.

**Lord-Loss**

Im thinking of two lists, One uses some scary units the other is basically Horde Berzerkers. All have Obliterators.

List one:

HQ

Kharn the Betrayer:[165]

Troops

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[203]
Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[203]
Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

Heavy Support

2x Obliterator:[150]
2x Obliterator:[150]
2x Obliterator:[150]

Total:[1507pts]

List two:

HQ

Demon Prince:[155]
Mark of Slaanesh, lash of submission, Wings

Demon Prince:[155]
Mark of Slaanesh, lash of submission, Wings

Troops

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

Heavy Support

2x Obliterator squad:[150]
2x Obliterator squad:[150]
2x Obliterator squad:[150]

**Zid**

My issue with Princes is they die... often, and easily. At T5 they can get bogged down in bolter fire and die from some lucky rolls... not only that I've seen my DP's get Plasma Gunned to death so often I've actually quit running em in favor of Chaos Sorcerers. Run a Chaos Sorc in a Rhino (or LR) with your zerkers, whip whatever you want at your squad, squish it. It also gives you an I6, force weapon wielding, 4 attack dude. Not too shabby. And hes slightly less expensive as well.

**Lord-Loss**

The Princes are there to attract fire while to give my Berzerkers a chance to get in CC.

There not too shabby themselves thought, would a Nurgle or Tzeench DP be better?

**Zid**

Lord-Loss wrote:The Princes are there to attract fire while to give my Berzerkers a chance to get in CC.

There not too shabby themselves thought, would a Nurgle or Tzeench DP be better?

If thats why they are there, most definitely. Nurgle DP's are almost impossible to bog down in small arms fire, while Zeech DP's are great vs armys with a LOT of AP or heavy arms. Winged Slanesh princes are great, don't get me wrong, but they die... often, and quite easily. They are CC beasts, and they CAN get into it quickly. But if your facing Eldar (like I do all the time) or SM's, Farseers and Psychic Hoods make lash princes pretty useless half the time. Its sad, but true :( Its really personal preference. When I run my princes I run 1 nurgle, 1 slanesh. I've yet to try Zeech, but for Khorne it wouldn't fit the theme.

Its up to you man, just saying by personal preference

I Face a LOT of Eldar and SM's that run 8-10 lascannons, so my princes are fodder most games. I love em against things like Nids and IG tho (IG mainly because they hate how quickly I can get to them with good cover lol)

**Lord-Loss**

1.5k Chaos Space Marine List

HQ

Demon Prince:[175]
Mark of Nurgle, Warptime

Demon Prince:[175]
Mark of Nurgle, Warptime

Troops

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

8x Khorne Berzerker squad:[243]
Champion, Power fist, Rhino

Heavy Support

2x Obliterator:[150]
2x Obliterator:[150]
2x Obliterator:[150]

Total:[1489pts]

I couldnt afford wings they can give cover saves to my rhinos turn one and turn two the rhinos give them cover saves

Zid@If there shooting Lascannons at my DP's then there not shooting my Berzerkers so that would be good.

**CajunMan550**

Meh I like Kharne personally but if I were to change your list I'd just drop stuff and add in a LR with Serkers in it might work well for you.

**RxGhost**

I noticed you hadn't bought the Mark of Khorne for your Obliterators.

**Lord-Loss**

RxGhost wrote:I noticed you hadn't bought the Mark of Khorne for your Obliterators.

I realy seriously hope your joking or *Facepalm*

**RxGhost**

Am I, Lord-Loss, am I?