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 koooaei wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:


The 25% rule applies in all types of terrain if the target is a Flyer, Super-heavy Vehicle, Flying Monstrous Creature or Gargantuan Creature. All other targets count as being in cover if they are in or on the
terrain’s base, even if not 25% obsured

they'll probably re-fix it


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 chaosmarauder wrote:


Templates/blasts effect all lvls of ruins - makes burna boyz, cannons and lobbas better

well, that worked exactly like it the whole 7-th edition. Yep, you can hit flyers now, though. However, people rarely use mysterious objectives. At least here.
As for vehicles, 95% times you loose them to shooting - not melee nades. Kanz are still garbage but at least they won't provide a free consolidation move and leave the enemy all bunched up for lobbas. So, it's a good thing, i guess. If only they were 25-30 ppm and not 50, they'd see some more table time.

Even the 50 wouldn't be so bad if they still hit at Str 10, no cowardly Grots, or cowardly grots also used MorkaGorkanaughts and Stompas since they are bigger, and free ranged weapon upgrades.

Hunam0001 wrote:
Also, weapons with both a ranged profile, and a melee profile, can use both in the same turn now.

Burnas just got much more interesting.

You missed the "unless stated otherwise" part.

Unfortunately, burnas state otherwise.

 grendel083 wrote:

Hunam0001 wrote:
Also, weapons with both a ranged profile, and a melee profile, can use both in the same turn now.

Burnas just got much more interesting.

You missed the "unless stated otherwise" part.

Unfortunately, burnas state otherwise.

Drat

 koooaei wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:


The 25% rule applies in all types of terrain if the target is a Flyer, Super-heavy Vehicle, Flying Monstrous Creature or Gargantuan Creature. All other targets count as being in cover if they are in or on the
terrain’s base, even if not 25% obsured

they'll probably re-fix it


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 chaosmarauder wrote:


Templates/blasts effect all lvls of ruins - makes burna boyz, cannons and lobbas better

well, that worked exactly like it the whole 7-th edition. Yep, you can hit flyers now, though. However, people rarely use mysterious objectives. At least here.
As for vehicles, 95% times you loose them to shooting - not melee nades. Kanz are still garbage but at least they won't provide a free consolidation move and leave the enemy all bunched up for lobbas. So, it's a good thing, i guess. If only they were 25-30 ppm and not 50, they'd see some more table time.

But...unless they change it, Kanz also get 'toe in cover' which is kind of neat. Combined with improved rules for their blasts/templates, reduced damage from grenades in CC....they're atleast a little better than before.

If a dwarf grows an inch, is he still a dwarf?

 slip wrote:
If a dwarf grows an inch, is he still a dwarf?

Yes, and being bigger than the rest also makes him the new warboss

With the new FAQ nerfing of tankbusastas, you can only take 2 tankhammers. A unit of 5 with 1 meltabomb, 2 tankhammers and a nob w/klaw is 130. Still very formidable against vehicles...but twice the price, and missing 2 rokkits. We got hosed.

 JimOnMars wrote:
With the new FAQ nerfing of tankbusastas, you can only take 2 tankhammers. A unit of 5 with 1 meltabomb, 2 tankhammers and a nob w/klaw is 130. Still very formidable against vehicles...but twice the price, and missing 2 rokkits. We got hosed.

Yeah no kidding, if tankhammers were still a free switch it wouldn't be as hard a hit but man that sucks. One of the few ways we could ensure that we could crack IK or LR. Killsaws just went up in value.

What vehicle would two tank hammers be more effective against over four rokkits?

How much tank could a tankbusta bust if a tankbusta could bust tanks?

Well, I tried to play the ghazcurion with tankbustas and had to cut a lot of upgrades. Now I'll just take manz in the warband and don't bother.

Given the existence of Chaos/renegade knights I think a looted knight with lots of Dakka would be a very orky thing to do. Technically it would be an ally of convenience, but it would fit right in with the fluff.

 hordrak wrote:
Well, I tried to play the ghazcurion with tankbustas and had to cut a lot of upgrades. Now I'll just take manz in the warband and don't bother.

This could be the return of all Ork mobs are just PK delivery systems. The six mobs of Boyz are just ablative wounds for the PK nob in each Fearless mob.

My TB's rarely got in CC with vehicles anyways. Opps at my store would never let it happen. I started to put BC's on my TB Nobz for CC with non-vehicle units.

 Rismonite wrote:

 Cleatus wrote:
Orks can't ally with themselves, right? They're just all the same faction. Therefore the battle brothers transport restriction doesn't apply here, right?

This.

The battlebrothers thing is meant to try and shutdown different factions of imperials using each other's transports. Not tell an ork with two CADs that painboy in CAD1 can't start with CAD2's nobz in battlewagon.

Wait. Wait. Wait. I think this is actually a problem.

There's Allies, and then there's an Allied Detachment. An Allied Detachment can be composed of any other faction, the only restriction being that it cannot be from the same faction as your primary detachment. However if you bring two or more detachments and/or formations, I think they're technically allies. And if they are from the same faction, they are Battle Brothers. Look at the Allies section or the 7th BRB.

Someone please tell me I'm wrong about this?

 Cleatus wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:

 Cleatus wrote:
Orks can't ally with themselves, right? They're just all the same faction. Therefore the battle brothers transport restriction doesn't apply here, right?

This.

The battlebrothers thing is meant to try and shutdown different factions of imperials using each other's transports. Not tell an ork with two CADs that painboy in CAD1 can't start with CAD2's nobz in battlewagon.

Wait. Wait. Wait. I think this is actually a problem.

There's Allies, and then there's an Allied Detachment. An Allied Detachment can be composed of any other faction, the only restriction being that it cannot be from the same faction as your primary detachment. However if you bring two or more detachments and/or formations, I think they're technically allies. And if they are from the same faction, they are Battle Brothers. Look at the Allies section or the 7th BRB.

Someone please tell me I'm wrong about this?

I don't think its too much of a problem though. In either case, taking double CAD, or Orkurion - its not too hard to put the battlewagon in the detachment you actually want to have the units you want start in it.

 chaosmarauder wrote:
I don't think its too much of a problem though. In either case, taking double CAD, or Orkurion - its not too hard to put the battlewagon in the detachment you actually want to have the units you want start in it.

So long as you don't want to run blitz brigade.

 slip wrote:
What vehicle would two tank hammers be more effective against over four rokkits?

Any 3HP AV10 Rear will go down to 2 tankhammers (6 attacks, 4 hits, usually 3-4 pens...barring bad rolls) + 1 melta (2/3 chance of pen). AV11 too. It's the SHVs that are the problem. And the 30 points.

 Cleatus wrote:

 Rismonite wrote:

 Cleatus wrote:
Orks can't ally with themselves, right? They're just all the same faction. Therefore the battle brothers transport restriction doesn't apply here, right?

This.

The battlebrothers thing is meant to try and shutdown different factions of imperials using each other's transports. Not tell an ork with two CADs that painboy in CAD1 can't start with CAD2's nobz in battlewagon.

Wait. Wait. Wait. I think this is actually a problem.

There's Allies, and then there's an Allied Detachment. An Allied Detachment can be composed of any other faction, the only restriction being that it cannot be from the same faction as your primary detachment. However if you bring two or more detachments and/or formations, I think they're technically allies. And if they are from the same faction, they are Battle Brothers. Look at the Allies section or the 7th BRB.

Someone please tell me I'm wrong about this?

You're right, but ITC rules allow you to take an allied detachment of your primary faction.

 JimOnMars wrote:

 slip wrote:
What vehicle would two tank hammers be more effective against over four rokkits?

Any 3HP AV10 Rear will go down to 2 tankhammers (6 attacks, 4 hits, usually 3-4 pens...barring bad rolls) + 1 melta (2/3 chance of pen). AV11 too. It's the SHVs that are the problem. And the 30 points.

Tankbustas still have Tank Hunters so that helps quite a bit.

 PipeAlley wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 slip wrote:
What vehicle would two tank hammers be more effective against over four rokkits?

Any 3HP AV10 Rear will go down to 2 tankhammers (6 attacks, 4 hits, usually 3-4 pens...barring bad rolls) + 1 melta (2/3 chance of pen). AV11 too. It's the SHVs that are the problem. And the 30 points.

Tankbustas still have Tank Hunters so that helps quite a bit.

Yep. Our other big problem is MCs, like *cough* riptides. *cough*. 15 meltabombs exploding on a riptide is a damn fine sight, IMHO. Hopefully they will rescind this FAQ.

Has everyone here gone over to the page and posted complaints yet?

https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/pcb.1610528622601104/1610526962601270/?type=3&theater

Twice, and liked the top 10 posts criticising the ruling.

My only hope is that they FAQ the ruling to read this rule stands for all grenades, except melta bombs.
That would be sweet for Orks.

Does anyone know the stats of the new telleport weapon on the flier. Are they the same as the Big mek ones or are they better ?



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All the leaks seem to have listed just the datasheet that makes a reference to a page that never seems to be in those leaks.

 JimOnMars wrote:

 slip wrote:
What vehicle would two tank hammers be more effective against over four rokkits?

Any 3HP AV10 Rear will go down to 2 tankhammers (6 attacks, 4 hits, usually 3-4 pens...barring bad rolls) + 1 melta (2/3 chance of pen). AV11 too. It's the SHVs that are the problem. And the 30 points.

Any 3 hp av10 will go down to regular attacks with tankhunter rerolls. Or to regular boyz. The problem are superheavies and monsters that don't. Now all you have left is overloading them with manz as TB can no longer deal with them point effectively.

What wing is worth having now with the "flyboss traits"?

I think dakkajets will provide good aerial defence and it is best for dogfights, hopefully we can kill stormravens before they hit the field.

What are the rules for this wings?

 oldzoggy wrote:
Does anyone know the stats of the new telleport weapon on the flier. Are they the same as the Big mek ones or are they better ?

Same as the Big Mek weapon, but with improved range.

Same? Including all the Tellyported rules and Blast size?

Isn't one of the results getting into close combat? EDIT: I was thinking of SAG.

If it was 24" and large blast, yes I could totally get behind that. If that's the case, definite skip for me. Glad I got the last cheaper box before my store restocked with the new one.

It is an Assault weapon though, which works with the Waaagh! plane rule.

 koooaei wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 slip wrote:
What vehicle would two tank hammers be more effective against over four rokkits?

Any 3HP AV10 Rear will go down to 2 tankhammers (6 attacks, 4 hits, usually 3-4 pens...barring bad rolls) + 1 melta (2/3 chance of pen). AV11 too. It's the SHVs that are the problem. And the 30 points.

Any 3 hp av10 will go down to regular attacks with tankhunter rerolls. Or to regular boyz. The problem are superheavies and monsters that don't. Now all you have left is overloading them with manz as TB can no longer deal with them point effectively.

Yep, and MANZ will get swiped by smash, so at best we break even.

Just a question, what's the best way to deal with infantry heavy guardsmen armies?