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So I'm gettin ready for a tourney in a couple of weeks and here is my Eldar Army list. Just wanted to get some takes on it!

HQ
Avatar of Khaine
Asurmen

Troops
Guardians (10) with Brightlance and Warlock with Enhance

2X Dire Avengers (10) with Exarch (Diresword and Pistol, Defend and Bladestorm)
1 Wave Serpent (with Missile Launchers, Shuriken Cannon, Star Engines, and Spirit Stones)

Pathfinders (5)

Heavy Support
Weapons Battery 2 D-Cannons with Warlock (with Conceal)

Fire Prism with Shuriken Cannon, Holo Fields, Vectored Engines, and Spirit Stones

1 War Walker with 2 Scatter Lasers

Fast Attack
2x Swooping Hawks w/Exarchs (both with Sunrifle, Skyleap, and Intercept)

This puts me at exactly two points under the 1850 (odd number?!) points total for the tourney. I don't plan on winning just having a good time (all though I may get best paint job????). About the only thing I can change on this (due to time and money restrictions) would be to switch out Asurmen with Baharroth. That's it. I know one war walker is mostly worthless, but it gets me close to points. Any comments?

I guess you want to show off your swooping hawk paintjobs. Thats fine. I hope you have fun.
If you have another Fire Prism I'd use it and drop the war walker and some engine upgrades for it.

I don't play against a lot of eldar armies but the ones I do - all have seer counciles on bikes. They are a pain in the butt. Maybe drop that Special Char and skimp somewhere else to get one of those in there.

Looks rather strange.
Asurmen is too expensive for what he can achieve.
I'd replace him by a Farseer that is able to fortune the Avatar if necessary.
Swooping Hawks are one of the less useful Eldar units.
D-cannons were good in the last edition but they can be targeted even if they hide behind area terrain.

I'd beef up the Warwalker unit to 3 Warwalkers, all with scatter lasers.
Moreover, I'd add another Fire Prism by dropping the D-cannons.
Fire Prisms don't need vectored engines if they don't move over 12''.
I'd also drop the Serpents' star engines as these tanks are fast enough.

Thanks for the tips guys, but like I said, money and time restrict me to only being able to switch Asurmen with Baharroth. That's it. I plan on getting more walkers asap, and another Prism too, but wont be able to before tourney day.

2x Swooping Hawks w/Exarchs (both with Sunrifle, Skyleap, and Intercept)

How many Swooping Hawks are you fielding?

This is a very, very, very bad list.

Not only do you have man overprice/underpowered units (Guardians, Hawks, Asurman) but you lack anti-vehicle firepower... while at the same time bringing so few vehicles that your opponents AT will have an easy time dropping your two tanks before they can do much themselves.

Given that... and your monetary inability to improve the list... why post it on a forum at all?

It sounds like you're stuck with it.

Given that... and your monetary inability to improve the list... why post it on a forum at all?

Well, he switched Asurmen with Baharroth.
The Swooping Hawks can be a nasty surprise for the enemy.

wuestenfux wrote:

Given that... and your monetary inability to improve the list... why post it on a forum at all?

Well, he switched Asurmen with Baharroth.
The Swooping Hawks can be a nasty surprise for the enemy.

Why, will they be surprised at how easily they die?

willydstyle wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

Given that... and your monetary inability to improve the list... why post it on a forum at all?

Well, he switched Asurmen with Baharroth.
The Swooping Hawks can be a nasty surprise for the enemy.

Why, will they be surprised at how easily they die?

They can appear and disappear.
This should help them to stay alive.

Ah yes... and also because it is really helpful to your sportsmanship scores to have 1/4 of your army off the table at all times. They get to focus so much more on the rest of your army

Well, he has to work with the units he has.

sorry, but this is not a very good eldar army...
swooping hawks are useless, the lasblasters are crap, so what if they are moblie, they wont do much
dire avengers on foot are quite useless unless ur against tryranids or orks
and their are almost no assault units other then the avatar! (asurmen is too crap to be taken into consideration)

on the other hand, it does look fun too play. And they are still eldar, so you will have a good time outfighting most enemies
Good luck.

Khaine wrote:sorry, but this is not a very good eldar army...
swooping hawks are useless, the lasblasters are crap, so what if they are moblie, they wont do much
dire avengers on foot are quite useless unless ur against tryranids or orks
and their are almost no assault units other then the avatar! (asurmen is too crap to be taken into consideration)

on the other hand, it does look fun too play. And they are still eldar, so you will have a good time outfighting most enemies
Good luck.

I hate it when people say that crappy armies look "fun to play."

It's not going to be fun to play with: you're going to get stomped without much chance against any half-decent general, as your list makes target priority too easy.

It's not going to be fun to play against: I know that some people just like to win, but I don't have fun when a game is too easy.

fair enough..
i see your piont, and i personally dont like playing with or against crap armies
but it is fun to have your favourite models on the table, even if they do die. As long as they kill 1 soldier, its good
that is the only reson why people take swooping hawks

What about a deepstrike behind cover one turn, 12" move, d6 fleet run, assault monolith/landraider/etc. and disable with haywire grenades, skyleaping at the end of the assault?

clarification question on haywires: It says that a model using them loses an attack - does that mean potentially in a squad of 5 swooping hawks I could get 5 haywire grenade rolls to attempt to penetrate/glance?


I personally love the hawks, for both their style, and their critical late-game placement potential

BladeSire wrote:What about a deepstrike behind cover one turn, 12" move, d6 fleet run, assault monolith/landraider/etc. and disable with haywire grenades, skyleaping at the end of the assault?

clarification question on haywires: It says that a model using them loses an attack - does that mean potentially in a squad of 5 swooping hawks I could get 5 haywire grenade rolls to attempt to penetrate/glance?


I personally love the hawks, for both their style, and their critical late-game placement potential

If hawks could move or assault on the turn they deepstrike, they'd be useful. But sadly, they cannot.

i meant after the deepstrike. Place them in cover, then you have an 18" move. Depending on what you're facing, that's def. beneficial, not to mention their potential for last turn objective contesting, or low toughness horde pounding with the sunrifle.


Edit: and that 18" is really a potential 24" with fleet.

I don't see why any competent player would let his vehicles just sit with hawks 18" away. He would either: move to shoot them, or: move away from them.

For a similar number of points, warp spiders can do way more damage than hawks, and they can do it on the turn they deepstrike since you're not worrying about trying to assault with them right away.

Well again it's not like you just come in with hawks and expect vehicles to be there - you have to make the enemy choose - chance staying/coming in range of the hawks to 1) get a shot at a more important unit, 2) transport your death company to a spot where they're useful, 3) etc.

I find the 18" "keep away" circle around the hawks provides you a lot of leeway, depending on what you're doing.

All of a sudden your termies might have to footslog their way into combat, or the fire dragons can't get in close enough to enemy tanks. It's all about how you use them and the situations you open up in order to make their uses shine. They don't have to kill stuff to make them effective - but the threat of the kill is enough sometimes.

wildstyle you know that it really isn't all that serious some people still realize that the men are plastic there is no reason to ridicule them, second guessing why they even post on the forum. I play competively but I know when to have a good time and when to try and table someone. l3prech4un have a good time and enjoy yourself after all that is the point of a hobby not coming up with the most devastating "TOY" army and beating another persons "TOY" army. Why cany we all just get along

Warp spiders = way better than swooping hawks

Khaine wrote:Warp spiders = way better than swooping hawks

Well, Swooping Hawks excel vs horde armies if they are used correctly.

But warp spiders do it better.

willydstyle wrote:But warp spiders do it better.

However, the OP has no Warp Spiders.
So he has to make the best out of the Swooping Hawks.

Well... hopefully he can get that painting prize. Pics?

I do think hawks have a place again, and thats in planetstrike.

Well, its better than their old place, which was the back left storage container, that one over there with the dust on it


Sliggoth

Planetstrike is the game for the haks for sure Add Autach's to your swooping hawks squad. This alows a bit of fire power (I like the fusion gun with power weapon options) and adds minus one to deepstrike reserve roles for each you have via master stratigist. Hawks have haywire grenades for those bastions and vehicles when they assault the turn they deep strike in. If they get in trouble they can skyleap out with the Autach. repeat as necessary. Deepstrike in haywire granades skyleap out. Have fun !! Oh ya did I mention they never need more than a 4+ to hit a vehicle Ever via intercept rule!! Oh ya did I mention the granade pack every time they deep strike in !! again have fun that is the name of the game !!

Sorry OP but in a tourny you will get eaten for breakfast.

There is very little focus, lack of synergy and absolutely no real combined threat.

I have to agree with most of the above posters in the respect that Asurmen, although a good character(not crap like the one person suggests)...is extremely overpriced for his potential.

I like Hawks, and have found they do work as a strike unit if used properly, and 'trapping' units into bad decisions.

Overall though, tournament wise...this list will not have enough focus to do something well enough to win. Very little synergy units, which Eldar have to rely on to be competitive anymore, will mean those units that do one thing VERY well will just murder you.

Either way, I wish you luck...and let us know how you did in the tournament.