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So after much reading of these forums about the dreaded Vulcan, I decided to look this fellow up in the SM dex.
After reading his stats and abilities I just about <something profane regarding pants>.

I find this character to be obscenely OP and almost "cheater/TFG" to use.

What units/characters do you dakkites find to be excessively OP?

p.s. this isn't a QQ noob post just a general thoughts

Vulkan is strong but he is expensive, and has disadvantages. He is certainly overpowered, because flamers are the most powerful thing to twin-link, but he is not "cheater/tfg" to use.

IMHO the most OP thing in 40k is storm shields. a 4+ would make them worth it, a 3+ is insane, only two units in the game have a better save, Ghazzy, who only gets it for 1 turn and is 225 points IIRC) and DE shadow fields, which only work until you roll a 1.

Well, there a few powerful units out there in the 40k universe:
winged DP with lash of submission,
Assault Termies with storm shields,
Nob Bikerz,
and of course the new SW Rune Priest.

I don't think that the rune priest will actually be that bad, as it doesn't work on jump pack or jet bike infantry iirc. This means destroyers/battlesuits won't get mega-screwed by it. The only thing it seems like it will be really strong vs is carnifexes, and if you give them the +initiative upgrade they pass half the time. Basically the way to deal with the Maw is to keep the priest 24" away from your super important unit.

Personally, from my experience list building and playing with the current SM codex, the AC/HB Predator is probably my choice -- 85 points, AV13 front, 8 AP4 shots.

Stormshields are NOT overpowered, you just need to alter what you use to kill them with. instead of throwing expensive monstrous creatures/power weapons, throw a normal squad against them. a 10 man assault squad, if given the charge, will beat a 5 man terminator squad, for fairly equal points costs. ork boyz will beat terminators... eldar banshees / scorpions would probably work as well if the target is doomed.

but I digress. the most overpowered unit in the game is probably the nob biker... 4+/4+/5++ T5 2W alocation madness. They really didn't think that one through.

though bloodcrushers rank up there as well... almost as bad as nobs in terms of surviability, but they all have str5 power weapons, furious charge, and eternal warrior.

Nob bikers, as they require the least overall list synergy.

The Rhino and the Chimera. They are both just horribly undercosted.

Seriously, I don't see why everyone is so scared of Nob Bikers. When I play against my veteran Ork friend, his Nob Bikers are very rarely a threat to me. But for overpowered units I would say the following:

1: Genestealers
2: TH/SS Terminators
3: The new SW upgrade where you gain an attack for each enemy you kill in CC

Horst wrote:Stormshields are NOT overpowered, you just need to alter what you use to kill them with. instead of throwing expensive monstrous creatures/power weapons, throw a normal squad against them. a 10 man assault squad, if given the charge, will beat a 5 man terminator squad, for fairly equal points costs.

A 10 man assualt squad with powerfist does not beat the 5 man th/ss termi's on the charge (on average).


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I don't think th/ss are overpowered, the assualt squad is not the answer though.

Valkyrie wrote:Seriously, I don't see why everyone is so scared of Nob Bikers. When I play against my veteran Ork friend, his Nob Bikers are very rarely a threat to me. But for overpowered units I would say the following:

1: Genestealers
2: TH/SS Terminators
3: The new SW upgrade where you gain an attack for each enemy you kill in CC

How does your opponent equip his bikers?

I think one of the most powerful units in the game are the humble guard squad. For 50 points you get 10 men with toughness 3 and a 5+ save. If you have a hundred of them them well the lack of toughness is less of an issuse, and a 100 with a couple of cheap upgrades for each squad won't set you back much. They also can be given some cheap heavy weapons and special weapons. The fact there often underestimated is one of their other less than obvious strengths.

Chaplain Cassius

Definitely the Dark Eldar Mandrake


More seriously, I'd say Land Raider Crusaders (w/Blessed Hull) or Monoliths. As Dark Eldar, I can't scratch them; without grenades, but that's kinda difficult...

I'm gonna say DE Grotesques (immune to anything that doesn't cause ID) or TH/SS Termies. Also Monoliths and the new Space Wolves codex in general.

ph34r wrote:I don't think that the rune priest will actually be that bad, as it doesn't work on jump pack or jet bike infantry iirc. This means destroyers/battlesuits won't get mega-screwed by it. The only thing it seems like it will be really strong vs is carnifexes, and if you give them the +initiative upgrade they pass half the time. Basically the way to deal with the Maw is to keep the priest 24" away from your super important unit.

Well, it will probably be difficult to keep the RP 24'' away from your precious unit.
I guess he could be transported in a Rhino and if counts as a shooting power he could use it even when the Rhino moved 12''.

The only thing that I think is truly game-breaking is lash. There's no feasible counter, aside from full mechanization or a psychic hood, and Librarians are really just wasted points given my history with them.

Almost any other HQ problem can be solved with a power fist.

In my opinion the post OP unit is the Leman Russ Executioner, it has a plasma cannon tha fires 3 times and is also a blast weapon, plus it can take a multi melta on the hull and heavy flamer/bolters or plasma guns on the sponsons.

The cost-180 points

Killed my Warboss (who I paid 190 points for) in a single round of firing.

Damn

What are you talking about?
a.) You can only take a heavy bolter, flamer, or lascannon on the hull of a Leman Russ. The Executioner is 190 pts base without sponsons, 230 if you want to go for the 5 plasma cannon shots
b.) How are you spending 190 points on a warboss? Better question, why would you want to?

Personally, I think KFF + Battlewagon spam is a bit mean . . . especially with some stompas thrown in

Madgod wrote:I'm gonna say DE Grotesques (immune to anything that doesn't cause ID) or TH/SS Termies. Also Monoliths and the new Space Wolves codex in general.

Grotesques are only immune to str <6 shooting. In close combat, they are Init 3 (i think), and get no saving throws... that's overpowered...

I agree with the call on lash... it is definately overpowered. just the sheer number of things you can do with it make it stupid. horde enemies giving you a problem? lash the enemies into the shape of a flamer template and have fun!

Lysander is a bit on the savage side, as is Logan Grimnar's ability to make long fangs relentless. Black templar termies with LC and furious charge(and the accept any challenge vow), also nasty, as is the jetbike farseer/warlock squad, and Najal Stormcaller, (whom is on paper at least, a lesson in savagery)

Valkyrie wrote:Seriously, I don't see why everyone is so scared of Nob Bikers. When I play against my veteran Ork friend, his Nob Bikers are very rarely a threat to me. But for overpowered units I would say the following:

1: Genestealers
2: TH/SS Terminators

Genestealers? They cost more than Marines, have no guns, and have poor armor saves. I play Tyranids, they are not overpowered. The only thing they have going for them is Feeder Tendrils, Scuttlers, and Rending. And that is still REALLY expensive for a unit that can get gunned down by just about anything.

Assault Terminators: Don't get in the CC. SHOOT THEM. With crappy guns. Theoretically 1 out of 6 Wounds is fatal. I can kill them with a Gaunt squad pretty easily, because they don't shoot back.


Anything that can't shoot can't be overpowered because the opponent knows EXACTLY what you intend to do with them. It isn't like they will move to put a shot in the weak armor of a vehicle, or gun down an important HQ. All they can do is run up and hit stuff. Makes them very predictable and easy to counter.

Reaver Titan

Reaver Titan

Reaver Titan doesn't count because Warwick probably wrote the rules in his sleep and hasn't proof-read them yet, so he doesn't know how powerful they are.

And even if he did, if he was to fix them, he'd start by copypasting them into a new document, forget what he was doing, save and re-publish the same rules.

Um Emperor titan.....

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote: In my opinion the post OP unit is the Leman Russ Executioner, it has a plasma cannon tha fires 3 times and is also a blast weapon, plus it can take a multi melta on the hull and heavy flamer/bolters or plasma guns on the sponsons.

The cost-180 points

Killed my Warboss (who I paid 190 points for) in a single round of firing.

Damn

An Exec with a hull HB/HF and PC sponsons costs 230 points... wiit also is not allowed to have a hull mounted Multimelta. Bloody powerful output (5 plasma cannon shots) for sure though.

Bloodthirster

Well, the Most OP stuff have to do three things:
1) Be cost effective
2) Have a major impact on the game, and
3) Be extremely difficult to remove/kill/ignore

Vulkan is up there as you can hide him, and his magic works throughout the army. Eldrad was long considered the most OP unit for much the same reason. Nob bikers were up there, but with the rise of plentiful S8 and Mech they've dipped. TH/SS termies are close, because they really are hard to kill, but without a landraider you can dance around them a lot of the time.

It's important to separate the truly OP from what I've always called "money units," which are the units that are both very punchy and very cost effective, but still have at least one weakness.