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2009/09/17 13:52:49
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
These kinds of stories piss me off so much. Why in the frakking hell would someone do something that utterly... evil, I cannot think of a better way of putting it. Stuff like this is rare, and should by no means have any effect on serious cases (especially on of this nature), but it does make me wonder how... I mean seriously though, how in the feth are you supposed to know?
Don't they have tests for this kind of thing so that they can avoid any of these situations. I hate to be so blunt in the face of such a serious trauma, but you better damn well be willing to provide any evidence that you can. This kind of thing could very well destroy a person, and I cannot imagine what sort of spiteful thoughts would manifest such a despicable accusation.
Ohmmm.... Ohmmm.... *insert calming chant here*
2009/09/17 19:26:32
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Hmm, consensual sex with 4 guys, obviously at the same time. Umm, I want her number. LOL.
Just kidding.........I think.
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--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2009/09/17 19:47:56
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
That's the gist of it. Felt guilty about being a slut so figured she'd feel better by appearing to be a victim.
I'm sure though she'll now be mocked and ridiculed by her classmates and even though the guys don't claim to have hard feelings if I was her I'd probably look over my shoulder.
That is just gak you don't joke about. Many women fail to realize just how damaging it is for a man, or maybe they do so that is why some feel the need to falsely accuse.
Even in the USA, on charges of rape or molesting you are "Guilty until proven innocent". Sad but true.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2009/09/18 01:41:15
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Thursday at the Taveras home in Brentwood, a FedEx truck motored up the street and delivered another letter to Kevin Taveras. This one was from Cablevision, his employer. It announced that he had been fired from his job as a dispatcher because of the "seriousness of the charges," the letter stated.
"Sad," Kevin Taveras said, holding up the letter.
I wouldn't be sad, I would be seriously freaking angry about that. I mean wow... basically kneecapped this guy morally. Look into the story before you start freaking out Luna, there is much much much more information supporting the fact that yes, she was indeed a skank, and will be charged accordingly.
2009/09/18 02:02:18
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
And No wrex, that's not an invitation to put up some wisecrack captioned photo, although I have to admit I laugh at most of them.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2009/09/18 02:46:09
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Or is at a party somewhere with her skirt pulled lower....oO. I did just go there.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2009/09/18 02:53:12
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Happens a lot more than you'd think; the justice system is incredibly biased in favor of female victims in matters like these. You could make up a bs story and get a restraining order/rape/etc on just about any man as long as you got tits.
2009/09/18 02:53:54
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
And No wrex, that's not an invitation to put up some wisecrack captioned photo, although I have to admit I laugh at most of them.
DAMMIT!!! You had to lay down the law on that one .
Cane wrote:Happens a lot more than you'd think; the justice system is incredibly biased in favor of female victims in matters like these. You could make up a bs story and get a restraining order/rape/etc on just about any man as long as you got tits.
This is what I worry about, but in all honesty, there is very little you can do about that kind of thing without inevitably harming a large portion of the legitimate cases chances to win a case; for that matter, even bring it into court. Frankly, rape is serious enough for this to be an extremely complicated issue to address.
I cannot, however, say that I am in anyway pleased by the current state of this case; and I hope to high hell that this chick gets what is coming to her.
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2009/09/18 02:58:55
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Same here, and unfortunately the gender bias goes farther than rape to child custody cases and the like. Its a screwed up system and you never hear feminazi's preaching for change here but thats a whole other ballpark.
2009/09/18 03:22:31
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
I don't want to be the turd in the punchbowl, but if anybody thinks that the legal system is biased towards accused rapists, you're wrong.
Now, the media loves a good high profile rape, and since we as a culture tend to assume that women wouldn't lie about being raped, there is some "innocent until proven guitly" in society, but the legal system isn't quite like that. It's the same standard, and absent signs of a struggle and/or trauma, it's actually pretty hard to prosecute, simply because if it comes down to he said/she said, the jury has to convict based solely on that, beyond a reasoanble doubt.
Let's add in the fact that the victim has to testify, the defense can (And should) attack her credibility at every turn, and can work to bring in all kinds of sexual history against her. Add in the general lack of concern most jurisdictions have with date rape, and it's a pretty messed up situation.
There's no real way to fix it without compromising the rights of the accused, something I certainly don't' want to do. But something to consider is that while we hear about a few cases recanted every year, there were 93,000 reported rapes in the US in 2005. Given that best estimates are that only about 1/3 are reported, assuming 4 high profile false rape accusations a year, that still leads to nearly 50,000 unreported rapes for every major false accusation.
Now, I think that these guys should sue her for defamation, I think she should be prosecuted for filing a false police report. But the rape problem in this country isn't women falsely accusing anybody.
2009/09/18 03:47:47
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
It's simply the nature of the crime. There's usually no good way to objectively determine consent in situation like this.
I think the bias in child custody cases is a bigger issue, though.
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
2009/09/18 03:53:37
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
polonius wrote:Now, I think that these guys should sue her for defamation, I think she should be prosecuted for filing a false police report. But the rape problem in this country isn't women falsely accusing anybody.
I assume the problem you are pointing to is the fact that there is a theoretical mass of unreported cases, that should be reported?
I don't think anyone has said that this situation is THE issue when it comes to rape, but the way that we look at it seems to be quite relevant. I am not in anyway saying that rape victims are somehow wrong for being raped... or whatever the hell that would mean; just that (as you said) there are a lot of problems within our legal system.
TBH I think that the main problem is with the men (if that wasn't painfully obvious), but this does not mean that all men are rapists, nor should they be treated as such by any stretch of the imagination.
I despise rapists, to be sure, but I can honestly say that this chick has crossed a line that I find to be just as bad as rape itself.
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2009/09/18 04:08:33
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Wrexasaur wrote:
I despise rapists, to be sure, but I can honestly say that this chick has crossed a line that I find to be just as bad as rape itself.
I dont' know about that. A lot of rape victims bounce back, but I'd be careful with that. Think of it this way: would you rather be accused of rape, and be booked and indicted but only spend a few days in jail, or be brutally and randomly sodomized.
The accusation is more time intensive, but I think I'd take it over the sodomy.
2009/09/18 04:11:29
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
I would have no ethical qualms with making her serve the full sentence given to a rapist. Or someone who attempted rape, at least, as I suppose that would be the better parallel.
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Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
2009/09/18 04:23:02
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Wrexasaur wrote:
I despise rapists, to be sure, but I can honestly say that this chick has crossed a line that I find to be just as bad as rape itself.
I dont' know about that. A lot of rape victims bounce back, but I'd be careful with that. Think of it this way: would you rather be accused of rape, and be booked and indicted but only spend a few days in jail, or be brutally and randomly sodomized.
The accusation is more time intensive, but I think I'd take it over the sodomy.
I think I'd rather be raped, especially if Angelina or Taylor Swift were the attackers. LOL.
The problem comes in the fact that one dude lost his job due to being accused of rape. Sure he can and might get it back upon proving he was cleared (not hard to do) but it is still a stigma that will hang over their heads forever.
In a non-related incident my bro got accused of stalking someone. Though he was never charged and can prove he did not the "victims" friends and family do not want to hear the real facts. The fact he was accused is enough to have caused him all sorts of problems. Some of her friends work at a couple of the bars here in town. I've been with him and it's not fun when you walk into a bar and suddenly half the bars heads turn in your direction because you are with someone who was falsely accused of something. Thank God we normally go with my military buddies to the bars. feth, 6 years later some of her friends and family still harass him about it (he's gotten restraining orders against a few).
So even if proven otherwise in rape cases and stalking and molesting, more often than not even if the law forgives them and forgets, people will still label and judge regardless and that is enough to ruin someone.
--The whole concept of government granted and government regulated 'permits' and the accompanying government mandate for government approved firearms 'training' prior to being blessed by government with the privilege to carry arms in a government approved and regulated manner, flies directly in the face of the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government.”
2009/09/18 04:32:52
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Polonius wrote:spend a few days in jail, or be brutally and randomly sodomized
FALSE DICHOTOMY
Anuvver fing - when they do sumfing, they try to make it look like somfink else to confuse everybody. When one of them wants to lord it over the uvvers, 'e says "I'm very speshul so'z you gotta worship me", or "I know summink wot you lot don't know, so yer better lissen good". Da funny fing is, arf of 'em believe it and da over arf don't, so 'e 'as to hit 'em all anyway or run fer it.
2009/09/18 06:19:14
Subject: Hofstra Rape Suspects Free After Accuser Recants
Polonius wrote:spend a few days in jail, or be brutally and randomly sodomized
FALSE DICHOTOMY
How is that a false dichotomy? I was responding to a post where somebody claimed that being accused of rape was just as bad as being raped, or soemthing close.
Being wrongly convicted of rape is far worse, I think, but that's not the debate.
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