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**gendoikari87**

Also don't know how competitive it would be but I'd run a steel battalion with a few priests for repairs.

Another idea is running one of the super heavy tanks with a bunch of heavy weapons teams firing out the top. Not sure that'd be any good but it'd be hilarious

**em_en_oh_pee**

gendoikari87 wrote:
Yup entirely incapable of anything but parroting. Back to ignore. People incapable of anything but parroting the common consensus add no value to the conversion. I can get that elsewhere. Try thinking outside the box. Or at least reading what I write before you respond it's patently clear you don't

Not parroting. Actually tested and/or came to the conclusions myself.

**Ideasweasel**

em_en_oh_pee wrote:
gendoikari87 wrote:
Aaranis wrote:
gendoikari87 wrote:
Asranis uses wall of text, it's super effective!

I know it looks intimidating to read that much text when you can't even read my name right, don't bother. I've stopped taking you seriously long ago like half the people of this thread.

Also, I have the codex since Wednesday so if you guys have any specific questions I could help you out.

no need to be an donkey-cave, to the ignore list you go.

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wow dakka somehow that censoring seems worse than the original

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Suzuteo wrote:

What are you smoking?

First, the typical army these days has 7 CP, and practically all of it is going to be spent in the first three turns. Everyone who is thinking competitively is right now finding disgusting ways to maximize how much damage we are doing per CP spent. I just demonstrated that Dragoons use that CP more efficiently than Kastelans (under certain conditions, anyway), and they are definitely more efficiently than Crawlers:

Just saying it's something to keep in mind, no need to be a dick. ignore list for your ass too.

At this point, who isn't ignoring everyone else? This thread is just killing me!

actually snorted loudly at my work laughing at this. Got a couple of funny looks

Well played sir made me smile

**Unit1126PLL**

So my typical Superheavy Tank Company is 3 superheavies, ranging from just over 1200 points to 1700-ish points.

The issue I am having is whether tech-priests are worth it or not.

**gendoikari87**

That's going to depend on how much massed anti tank you run into if your opponent is killing them in a turn you don't have use for them. If they aren't it's probably worth it. I'll work the math out when I get home.

What's your meta like?

**Yoda79**

Used 1 tech priest for each bane blade in a 60 k apoca this summer. Worth it. Engiseer healing imperium!!

**Ideasweasel**

Whoops just read the mods comment. Didn't mean to detract from the topic. Just playing catch up with all of the posts.

So Dragoons are even better now.

Excellent, love the modes and can't wait to get some. Multiples will look great on the battlefield

**em_en_oh_pee**

Ideasweasel wrote:
Whoops just read the mods comment. Didn't mean to detract from the topic. Just playing catch up with all of the posts.

So Dragoons are even better now.

Excellent, love the modes and can't wait to get some. Multiples will look great on the battlefield

That love will die when you start building. Just wait, you will get to the point where you insert the joint plugs or the servitor leg tubes... and you will want to smash that model!

And painting it is an ordeal too. I know I have at least two NIB and the want to get them on the table is nil... until I think about those exploding 4's.

**gendoikari87**

You could always convert. $50 for 70 point model is ridiculous. How much are sentinels going for these days?

**KampfKrote**

Do you think sentinels would make a good conversion? I'm in the middle of a giant project, but I'm always looking for new ideas.

I'm currently turning 2 leman Russ + 2 redemptor dreadnoughts into giant kataphrons that count as Dunecrawlers.

**WrentheFaceless**

Sentinels would be a proper conversion model for Dragoons/Balistarii yes

And yes, for Kastellans, nothing beats cawl and Mars as their support

**Ideasweasel**

@ em_en_oh_pee I haven't reached the rage yet haha.

See you tourney circuit folks. Regarding conversions and the like: Do the organisers usually allow them or can they be quite arsey?

Do you guys bring back up official models in the event that they disqualify them?

Always wondered

Cheers

**Yoda79**

Why is the tech priest dominus 135 poimts honestly?
And why is so hard to be able to field datasmith and as hq?? I dont understand.

**generalchaos34**

Ideasweasel wrote:
@ em_en_oh_pee I haven't reached the rage yet haha.

See you tourney circuit folks. Regarding conversions and the like: Do the organisers usually allow them or can they be quite arsey?

Do you guys bring back up official models in the event that they disqualify them?

Always wondered

Cheers

From what I have seen in non-GW tournaments the rule of cool always applies. As long as you can tell what the model is and it fits the theme of your army most seem to not care too much about 3rd party models.

**Yoda79**

Bases are important to follow the rules . Each tourney has its rules but usually if you are not extremely cheating with hights or other bad alterations i havent seen any issue.

Again bases are important and read rules fro each event.If you do a good job most likely you gonna be asked a ton of pics

**em_en_oh_pee**

Ideasweasel wrote:
@ em_en_oh_pee I haven't reached the rage yet haha.

See you tourney circuit folks. Regarding conversions and the like: Do the organisers usually allow them or can they be quite arsey?

Do you guys bring back up official models in the event that they disqualify them?

Always wondered

Cheers

Only GW really cares about that sort of thing. Most TOs I know are fine with any conversions. Hell, dig around Instagram for the endless Blanchitsu armies! They are all heavily converted and if a TO denied those, I bet the players would boycott!

And how many have you done? I hit peak rage after my second one was finished and by the third I had to take breaks after each leg!

Now that I have kinda figured them out though a bit, I doubt it will be that bad. I think I have at least two NIB, so I need to get on it. Would be great to try out the bulldozer just to watch people's faces when those chickenwalkers wreck face.

**Ideasweasel**

Cool cheers for the info folks.

I have one unasembled, new in box. Haven't even opened it yet....and now am dreading it!

**White Fang**

So for those of you who really know this army, what advice would you give a newcomer (me) as to which models I need to purchase next, now that the new AB has come out? I'm waiting for my AB to arrive and I've bought a starter box and 4 Kastellans. What should be on my next order? Help me out a bit? I'll be facing a fast, hard-hitting DE army as well as Salamanders regularly.

**KampfKrote**

@White Fang I have played a few games against DE, and my all-stars were my robots and my Dragoons. Vehicles seem great because they don't get the bonus from their poison weapons. Dunecrawlers are always good and seem to be a must answer threat for most of the people I play against as well.

**em_en_oh_pee**

White Fang wrote:So for those of you who really know this army, what advice would you give a newcomer (me) as to which models I need to purchase next, now that the new AB has come out? I'm waiting for my AB to arrive and I've bought a starter box and 4 Kastellans. What should be on my next order? Help me out a bit? I'll be facing a fast, hard-hitting DE army as well as Salamanders regularly.

Cawl
2x Kastellans
1-2 Onagers
3-5 Dragoons

That should put you in a good spot to run most of the "competitive" options (see previous pages for some army lists).

KampfKrote wrote:@White Fang I have played a few games against DE, and my all-stars were my robots and my Dragoons. Vehicles seem great because they don't get the bonus from their poison weapons. Dunecrawlers are always good and seem to be a must answer threat for most of the people I play against as well.

True, but they also bring a load of Dark Lances that are quite a bother.

**Tsol**

So... Not trying to flame anyone in particular but I think I'm going to start a separate Admech thread for those who are interested in talking about the army and tactics and new codex coming out tomorrow for those who aren't hardcore tourney listers but more for the average player who wants a decent army but also wants to try and keep it fluffy and friendly.

I mean no insult by this but this thread's tone and advice no longer suits' me.

**gendoikari87**

Fluffy lists I like that. Technically though you can counts as just about anything and it'd be fluffy for admech. They have the widest range in their fluff

**KampfKrote**

em_en_oh_pee wrote:
White Fang wrote:So for those of you who really know this army, what advice would you give a newcomer (me) as to which models I need to purchase next, now that the new AB has come out? I'm waiting for my AB to arrive and I've bought a starter box and 4 Kastellans. What should be on my next order? Help me out a bit? I'll be facing a fast, hard-hitting DE army as well as Salamanders regularly.

Cawl
2x Kastellans
1-2 Onagers
3-5 Dragoons

That should put you in a good spot to run most of the "competitive" options (see previous pages for some army lists).

KampfKrote wrote:@White Fang I have played a few games against DE, and my all-stars were my robots and my Dragoons. Vehicles seem great because they don't get the bonus from their poison weapons. Dunecrawlers are always good and seem to be a must answer threat for most of the people I play against as well.

True, but they also bring a load of Dark Lances that are quite a bother.

Yeah, the times I have played against them I don't think they were really prepared to play against me, so they didn't bring as many DLs as they could have. I'm just excited to finally get the codex and have some more room to fiddle with lists.

**Suzuteo**

em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Jaynen wrote:
That is an interesting point about the fact Dragoons can be affected by the additional Skiitarii stratagems

It does make for a nasty potential unit. Dragoon Bulldozer. Run 4-5 of the suckers in a unit in Stygies, grab Remorseless Fist or Machine Might, toss down Conqueror Doctrina Imperative and slam them into an enemy unit you want deader than dead. S8 AP -1 attacks that explode on 4+ will really be rough. -2 to-hit makes them tough to shoot, so they have to be addressed in CC, which is where they excel.

I recommend 3-4, with 4 being the reliable kill for every transport and artillery piece in the game. Let your Neutron Crawlers handle T8+ tanks.

Aaranis wrote:
em_en_oh_pee wrote:
Also, has anyone seen the wargear point costs for the new 'Dex? Can we potentially confirm that our Power Fists dropped in points at all? Seems to be a trend and I would love to pay 12pt instead of 20pt...

Not that it matters as much thanks to BO, but still, if we do want one at least he should be a bit cheaper (in theory).

I have the codex, I'll tell you the only points changes:

Vanguards: 9 (was 10)
Rangers: 8 (was 10)
Fulgurites: 17 (was 16)
Cognis Flamer: 10 (was 11)
Heavy Arc Rifle: 8 (was 18)
Cognis Heavy Stubber: 5 (was 8)

That's all for the AdMech changes. Didn't look up the eventual point changes for Knights though. So the Datasmith is still the same price, 52 points, the same cost as a squad of 4 Servitors with two Heavy Bolters (the cheapest squad possible).

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And yes, Dragoons have become deadly with the right synergies. I won't buy more than my recent Start Collecting box until the FAQ though, don't know what may happen (Vanguards at 8 pts ? Rangers with a Ranger special rul perhaps ?).

EDIT: Oh, there's the Omniscient Mask relic that allows you to reroll failed Hit Rolls in CC for Skitarii units within 6". Only problem would be getting the relic bearer in range of the Dragoons but that's feasible.

Hahaha they'll be the new CC powerhouse of AdMech soon !

Poor Fulgurites...

Mask isn't really worth it. I mean, with +2 to hit, you are essentially only rerolling 1s...

Unit1126PLL wrote:So.... at risk of stepping into a minefield, I'm going to post a question from an Astra Militarum perspective:

Without the Astra Militarum Keyword allowing Enginseers to embark in AM transports, are they still worth bringing to bodge damaged superheavy tanks?

And if so, what might the best build for that be?

Yes. Repairs are actually super important for any superheavy army. Bring one Stygies Enginseer as your warlord for the Necromechanic trait. Probably make it an Outrider detachment for Dragoons.

White Fang wrote:
So for those of you who really know this army, what advice would you give a newcomer (me) as to which models I need to purchase next, now that the new AB has come out? I'm waiting for my AB to arrive and I've bought a starter box and 4 Kastellans. What should be on my next order? Help me out a bit? I'll be facing a fast, hard-hitting DE army as well as Salamanders regularly.

Every competitive post-codex army probably has:

Cawl
2 Enginseers
15 Rangers (Vanilla, 3x5)
4 Kastelans (All triple Phosphor, 1x4)
4 Dragoons (All Taser Lance, 2x2)
3 Dunecrawlers (2x Neutron, 1x Icarus or 3x Neutron)

From there, you can add more Kastelans or Dragoons. Maybe even Fulgurites.

Here's my list:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/730618.page

**gendoikari87**

Also corps priest but I'd hold off on those until we get some test games in

**White Fang**

Sweet! Thanks guys! This is the info I needed!

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Also, do you guys prefer Rangers over Vanguard?

**monarda**

I have a box of Sicarians to make up this weekend. What's the best (or least bad) way to make them? Infiltrators over Ruststalkers? Taser goads over power swords, flechette blasters over stubcarbines, etc?

**Arachnofiend**

White Fang wrote:
Sweet! Thanks guys! This is the info I needed!

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Also, do you guys prefer Rangers over Vanguard?

Rangers are better for being fully kitted out because the Arquebus is really nice, and now that Rangers are slightly cheaper they're better for cheap screens/CP generators as well.

monarda wrote:
I have a box of Sicarians to make up this weekend. What's the best (or least bad) way to make them? Infiltrators over Ruststalkers? Taser goads over power swords, flechette blasters over stubcarbines, etc?

Definitely Infiltrators, a deep striking unit always helps and Ruststalkers... are just really bad this edition.

**Suzuteo**

Infiltrators are way better than Ruststalkers, but worse than Dragoons given their point cost.

**Octovol**

Erm what the actual hell...

So I'm reading my digital codex and I get to the dragoon page and I see... an entirely new statline!

M 6" WS2 BS2 S4 T5 W7 A6(!) LD10 SV2+

This has to be a massive mistake surely....?!

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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9q2mpPXBO18MVB5eVlLeDZiSmM