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how did everything get forgotten? Did some idiot save everything on his computer and hit delete? How can so much be forgotten. What other theories do people have?

A spiteful admin in control of the Mars central data server purposefully deleted all the backups when someone emailed him an information request with "wot" in the header.
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A lot of it was due to greed. Senior Magos and the high ranking members of the Cult Mechanicus had (And still have) a nasty habit of being very tight lipped and hoarding as much technological know-how as they can.

Eventually these members of the Mechanicum passed on and when they died, the information and knowledge they possessed died with them, so that none of the other Magos might steal it.

Inevitably, this slowly reversed humanity's technological tier quite drastically.

As well, a Terminator-esque 'Rise of the machines' had occurred, in which self-aware machines and robots that humanity had created turned against them and almost wiped out humanity, enslaving those that survived. Humanity eventually broke free, but they forever outlawed Machines that relied extensively on AI to operate.

metallifan wrote:
As well, a Terminator-esque 'Rise of the machines' had occurred, in which self-aware machines and robots that humanity had created turned against them and almost wiped out humanity, enslaving those that survived. Humanity eventually broke free, but they forever outlawed Machines that relied extensively on AI to operate.

Wow I wasn't aware of this, does that mean John Connor is the the Emprah?

http://www.philipsibbering.com/WH40KRP/40K_2_Dark_Age.shtml

grimz wrote:

metallifan wrote:
As well, a Terminator-esque 'Rise of the machines' had occurred, in which self-aware machines and robots that humanity had created turned against them and almost wiped out humanity, enslaving those that survived. Humanity eventually broke free, but they forever outlawed Machines that relied extensively on AI to operate.

Wow I wasn't aware of this, does that mean John Connor is the the Emprah?

It mentions a Machine Uprising in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels. So... Yea, Emprah John Connor

I thought it was some crappy warp storm that turned humanity into savage cavemen going pew pew,BANG.

The Sims 4 came out, and the computers realized that they were smarter than us

How does the machine spirit work?

metallifan wrote:

grimz wrote:

metallifan wrote:
As well, a Terminator-esque 'Rise of the machines' had occurred, in which self-aware machines and robots that humanity had created turned against them and almost wiped out humanity, enslaving those that survived. Humanity eventually broke free, but they forever outlawed Machines that relied extensively on AI to operate.

Wow I wasn't aware of this, does that mean John Connor is the the Emprah?

It mentions a Machine Uprising in one of the Gaunt's Ghosts novels. So... Yea, Emprah John Connor

This is to do with the Iron Men mentioned in another thead.

John Connor... Emperor?!? God Emperor John Connor Kinda has a ring to it .

That was the cration of the occularus terribus, I belive, and the fall of the eldar, and humanity got isolated, great empires and institutions devolved into single system affairs and without the support and inferstructure of the rest of the galaxy, the pockets of humans formed independent cultures. Very few of them remembered how to constuct spacefaring vessels and as a result coulden't take advantage of the warp storms abating. The age of strife, as it came to be known saw the birth of feral worlds, the squats and other abbhumans, as well as the advanced cultures that caused so much trouble in the great crusade.

Of course this is about the dark age, which is intentionly left a mystery, as noone in the current Imperium knows anything, and is largely irrelevent, but explanes the parodoxes of Imperial tech.

If they realied to heavily on AI and then outlawed it, that probably whiped out alot of stuff that was automated and no one new how to do it anymore.

Iron Priest wrote:How does the machine spirit work?

I'm guessing that it's just an operating system for whatever device it is in. Probably, from what I've read, with some basic AI in it or the Ad Mech refers to reading code as the spirit talking to them. I'm guessing it's more of the later seeing how much they hate AI.

Orkfantic wrote:If they realied to heavily on AI and then outlawed it, that probably whiped out alot of stuff that was automated and no one new how to do it anymore.

Exactly. What wasn't destroyed in the Machine wars was lost when humanity was nearly exterminated. When they finally rebuilt, the Adepts of the Mechanicus started hoarding tech and keeping the 'how-to' of it a secret from even eachother.

Ultimately, the Adeptus Mechanicus has screwed over the Imperium's advancement by turning a blind eye to such greed

Yeah and they probably burned all the Computer programming and stc building for dummies books as well.

Actually, haven't the Mechanicus also slowly pushed tech forward though? Remember the whole Mars thing and how the Emperor may or may not have enslaved a CTan there in order to push tech forward.

The rumors of a C'Tan buried under Mars are just that. Rumors. The Mechanicus worship this rumored C'Tan as the Ominissiah, but like 'God' to us, there's no way to prove it actually exists. The only person that could tell us the truth on this matter would be Magos Land, for whom the Land Speeder and Land Raider are named. However, he and his expedition were mysteriously killed by an unknown entity in the catacombs, archives and tunnels under Mars.

No one ever found what was under Mars, whether it's the rumored C'Tan, a Daemon, some Stone Men in hiding, no one knows for sure.

The Mechanicus has hardly pushed tech forward. In fact, they haven't done anything to advance tech. They're just searching for STC's, Tech that already exists, and then reapplying it.

There is a way to see if the C'Tan is under mars. Go into the noctis labyrinth, and go to the room that he is in. There is a certain tech priest given the duty of containing him within that place, if I remember mechanicum correctly.

ph34r wrote:There is a way to see if the C'Tan is under mars. Go into the noctis labyrinth, and go to the room that he is in. There is a certain tech priest given the duty of containing him within that place, if I remember mechanicum correctly.

You have to find it first though, and considering the archives honeycomb the entire planet, there's not much chance of that, as searching could take minutes, hours, days, even years. And then once you found it, you'd still have to find your way back out again. Ain't enough thread in the universe for that unfortunately :(

If there was a C'Tan under mars surely some sort of necron force would have tried to attack mars to rescue their god. Why would the C'Tan not have escaped by now if it has as much power as a god?

The Acolyte wrote:how did everything get forgotten?

In modern society a very large percentage of people know how to operate a car. Very few actually know how to construct one from scratch.

Same with computers, we have all proven we can use one by posting here but how many of us can construct a microchip?

If something happens to the people who know how to maintain the infrastructure it will collapse.

Techpriests realised they weren't women and stopped reading instructions like real men.

Instructions lost

1 generation later everyone is praying to their machines cause they dont even understand gravity.

The Acolyte wrote:how did everything get forgotten? Did some idiot save everything on his computer and hit delete? How can so much be forgotten. What other theories do people have?

All is based on the faith in the God Emperor or the Omnissiah or any other godlike creature. Even the tiniest bit of information is filtered by faith and different factions add their interpretations to it.
(Just look at the medieval christian europe. Technical level compared to roman times is lower, pray and everything will be all right. Let the faith loose and you see the 40k universe )

metallifan wrote:

ph34r wrote:There is a way to see if the C'Tan is under mars. Go into the noctis labyrinth, and go to the room that he is in. There is a certain tech priest given the duty of containing him within that place, if I remember mechanicum correctly.

You have to find it first though, and considering the archives honeycomb the entire planet, there's not much chance of that, as searching could take minutes, hours, days, even years. And then once you found it, you'd still have to find your way back out again. Ain't enough thread in the universe for that unfortunately :(

Still, there is a way to prove it, and though it will likely never be revealed to the Imperium, the Dragon is indeed the Machine God almost certainly. So says Mechanicum.

Whoa so there was a Robot-Revolt?

SWEEEET!!!!!!!

Frostyfire wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:how did everything get forgotten?

In modern society a very large percentage of people know how to operate a car. Very few actually know how to construct one from scratch.

Same with computers, we have all proven we can use one by posting here but how many of us can construct a microchip?

If something happens to the people who know how to maintain the infrastructure it will collapse.

This is like the economic overview of lead pencils.

If you personally wanted to make a pencil, you would need to study mining to learn how to get graphite. Forestry to learn how to get trees and rubber. More mining to get the metal for the part that holds the rubber on the end of the pencil. If you want the pencil to be painted that's another load of knowledge you need.

You would also need to study how to make tools to do all the things involved in the processes to make all the parts an put them together.

Yet you can buy a pencil for a few pennies.

However, if civilisation collapsed, the knowledge of the technology needed to make a pencil (and other things) would be preserved in books.

It's only if all the books were burned, or people forgot how to read them, that the knowledge would be lost.

Back to the OT, no-one knows what happened in the Dark Age of Technology, that's why it is a Dark Age.

Has anyone in the Imperium considered switching the tech off and then back on again? maybe this is where they went wrong

Dances with Squats wrote:Has anyone in the Imperium considered switching the tech off and then back on again? maybe this is where they went wrong

Thats how you solve all of life problems. Reboot it and start again!

The Acolyte wrote:If there was a C'Tan under mars surely some sort of necron force would have tried to attack mars to rescue their god. Why would the C'Tan not have escaped by now if it has as much power as a god?

Happened, 5 Jackal light cruisers attempted to land on the surface of mars, 4 vapourised, 1 lands. destroyed by an entire titan legion!