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Just like AV 14, i have trouble with eliminating monsterous creatures, usually vs my friend who plays Tyranids. I usually try and stock up on lootas, but lictors usually pop up where ever i am, and if i manage to kill them off, genestealers come in and totally destroy. Charging with boyz usually doesn't get anywhere, as they wound on 6's, and a powerklaw can sometimes do the job, but its risky because it attacks last, and the fex can take out a good handfull. Not only that, but with a big mob of boyz tied down on one thing, they aren't killing guants or warriors. I was thinking Burnas with power weapons on the charge? but once again wound on 6's and there mobs aren't to big.. How about Tankbustaz? as there are no vechicles they can shoot whatever, but their BS2 doesn't get very far.. any suggestions ?

For killing MCs, put a Nob with a power klaw into a large mob of boyz. That's probably the best way, unless Deff Rollas can effect MCs as well, then I'd say probably the cheapest vehicle with that on it. But, Nob with power klaw in a large mob of boyz is probably the best. It might take a while, but it works.

In general, you get two powerklaw nobs or a powerklaw nob and a warboss into contact.
That's pretty much a dead MC.

Nob Biker unit.

Agreed, Power Klaws eat monstrous creatures of any sort, save perhaps a C'Tan, and in that case they still do the job just as well as any other tools available to the Ork army.

While there are some exceptions such as spamming saves against Terminators, for the most part I think of any unit of Ork Boyz as a delivery method and set of ablative wounds for the PowerKlaw Nob.

PKs are the obvious first choice, but don't forget that MCs are a nice target for your lootas.

If I were an ork player who faced tyranids often I would always field 3 squads of lootas and shoot the hell out of those bugs.

You can Tank Shock monstrous creatures, but if they death or glory you they get 2D6 for pen. (but, if they fail, it's splat no mater what ) And it's S10 hits they get their armor save against.

most of the time, Rokkits will do great shooting them to death, as that ignores the standard stranglerfex's armor save most of the time...but if you play a crazy nid player (like I do) who gives most of his MCs an armor upgrade...you need a better gun.

I found that Kanz with KMBs did awesome against the MCs...as long as they stayed shooty. (Oh, and PK nob did awesome...my warboss however did nothing :( he died way too fast.)

lootas and power klaws = dead MC's

Running Carnifexes over with battlewagons is hilarious, but I would only do it when I had to. It's quite risky.

My first bet would be on a big mob of shoota boys with a PK Nob. You can usually put 1-2 wounds on the MC from shooting while going in and then knock him down in CC. Rokkits are great as they ignore the armour of a non-upgraded fex. Lootas are quite good MC-hunters as well, just keep them safe

As seems to be the consensus here, Powerklaws eat MCs, so just get them stuck in and they´ll work wonders

Yup, first choice is the Big Mob of 30 with Powerklaw. I had my last game in a tourney this weekend against Nidzilla, and it was kinda cagey. I played a dodgy tactic (not very Orky, also not smart to try out new tactics in the last round of a tournament you are winning) of getting my Kanz on the front line, spamming Big Shootas, and backing them up. It actually worked ok, and I see ways I could have done it better now. After that, I slammed a trukk full of MANZ into them once I drew them into my deployment zone. It worked ok, but I kept after the Hive Tyrant first...whom I probably should have left for last. Good game!

thanks ! appreciate the help ! I think I'll just sqeeze in as much PK as i can. But would Kanz be any good tho? because their initiative is usually higher (2) and their strength 10, power weapons in CC.. the only thing that MC get 2D6 for pen.. =(

Kanz vs carni?

No the carni will take 1 wound and then eat the kan alive.

Much easier to do it with normal klaws.

Kanz are good vs regular nids though, they'll pin a big brood in place for aaaaages until you're ready to　commit some boyz to finish it off.

Frankly I think the way to kill MC's is with dakka! And PK's are just the coup de grace.

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Kanz vs carni?

No the carni will take 1 wound and then eat the kan alive.

Pretty much, even the hive tyrant can do this

Sure the kan hits first, but with 3 attacks at WS2, the Fex is either 5 or 6, so your going to have a hard time killing it in close combat with a kan. And then the fex hits you back with ALL its attacks and gets about 4-5 pens and wrecks the squad.

Shooting though is awesome, KMB kanz will hurt most MCs pretty badly, just keep them out of CC, leave that to a PK, from a nob who has more attacks and better WS.

Screen your Lootas with some Boyz if you can afford to; I have to use a similar tactic with my Eldar to keep that pesky Lictor from gobbling my Farseer. When the lictor pops up have those troops you kept back rush into the fray and take it out.

Mr. DK wrote:thanks ! appreciate the help ! I think I'll just sqeeze in as much PK as i can.

You HAVEN'T been already ?!?!?!?

The ork army is almost entirely based around the existence of the power klaw.

Da Boss wrote:The ork army is almost entirely based around the existence of the power klaw.

Even better to screen your lootas with grots, or fill up nearby area terrain with grots to keep the lictors away.

starbomber109 wrote:

bravelybravesirrobin wrote:Kanz vs carni?

No the carni will take 1 wound and then eat the kan alive.

Pretty much, even the hive tyrant can do this

Sure the kan hits first, but with 3 attacks at WS2, the Fex is either 5 or 6, so your going to have a hard time killing it in close combat with a kan. And then the fex hits you back with ALL its attacks and gets about 4-5 pens and wrecks the squad.

Shooting though is awesome, KMB kanz will hurt most MCs pretty badly, just keep them out of CC, leave that to a PK, from a nob who has more attacks and better WS.

Ugh.... you're seriously overestimating carnifexes. A carnifex's max WS is 4. This means that kans hit on 4s. They get 9 attacks on the charge, 4.5 hits, hey, that's a dead carnifex!! And that's assuming you didn't put any shooting wounds on the carnifex before you assaulted.

As far as the carnifex attacking back... well it's not going to hit with all of its attacks. It will hit with 2/3 of its attacks. An un-upgraded carnifex only has two attacks, so that.s 1.33 hits, and .67 dead kans (hits auto-pen, but 50% chance of getting immobilized/wrecked results on damage table.

If the carnifex is heavily upgraded for CC: don't assault it. Don't let it assault you. Don't be a noob.

What about the Carnifex upgrade that makes anyone in base contact -1 WS? That means they hit on 5's if the 'Nid is actually expecting to reach CC and takes the proper biomorphs.

If the carnifex is taking all those close combat upgrades you should be delighted- it is not as dangerous to you as a shooty fex.

Also, if the kans get the charge, they will still cause 3 wounds to a carnifex even if they hit on 5s. Add in shooting and you're probably looking at a dead carnifex.

Granted getting the charge is not guaranteed, but since kans can move and fire at full effect they shouldn't be getting assaulted either.

If you get your 3 kanz all the way across the board to a shooting fex then the nid player has lost already.

If the carni is moving towards you it is an assault fex and will beat the kanz.

However thank you for posting that math. I didn't realise that things were stacked in the kanz advantage vs a shooty fex, I will have to start factoring this into my games vs nids.

yea, something that always gets me is the shooty fex's. large blast just decimates boyz. But, if a carnifex takes two barbed stranglers is that 2 large blasts or just Twin linked ?... cause thats pretty rape... and I really liked that idea with the grotz around the lootas, thanks for that!

yea, something that always gets me is the shooty fex's. large blast just decimates boyz. But, if a carnifex takes two barbed stranglers is that 2 large blasts or just Twin linked ?... cause thats pretty rape... and I really liked that idea with the grotz around the lootas, thanks for that!

Forget lootas. Rokkits FTW! And deffkoptas seems a good chance too.

Mr. DK wrote:yea, something that always gets me is the shooty fex's. large blast just decimates boyz. But, if a carnifex takes two barbed stranglers is that 2 large blasts or just Twin linked ?... cause thats pretty rape... and I really liked that idea with the grotz around the lootas, thanks for that!

It's just twin-linked. I'm guessing that they might beef up carnifexes in the new dex, but take away the choice to field them as elites in response.

Remember, if a MC does a "Death or Glory" against a deff rolla wagon you get 2d6 S10 hits even if the wagon is wrecked. May be a decent trade depending on the circumstances.

You can't really do better than the KMB for softening up monstrous creatures at range. On the BS 3 kans they're pretty much as good as ork AP2 weaponry gets.