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I recently put up an Ork list.
After taking the crit into account i formulated another
It is for 1500 point games, and i want it to be as competitive and
fun as possible.
All C&C most welcome

HQ:

Warboss 'Big Choppa Bamf':
combi-skorcha
cybork body
'eavy armour
big choppa
-85

Big Mek:
KFF
1 oiler
-90

ELITES:

10 Lootas:
-150

TROOPS:

10 Nobz:
all 'eavy armour
3 PK
3 big choppa
bosspole
Waaagh! banner
painboy
orderly
-395

20 Slugga Boyz:
Nob
PK bosspole
'eavy armour
-165

20 Shoota Boyz:
Nob
PK
bosspole
'eavy armour
2 big shootas
-175

10 Shoota Boyz:
Nob
big choppa
bosspole
big shoota
-85

FAST:

Warbuggy:
twin-rokkits
-35

Warbuggy:
twin-rokkits
-35

HEAVY:

Battlewagon:
grot riggers
-95

Battlewagon:
grot riggers
-95

Battlewagon:
grot riggers
-95

TOTAL: 1500


So 5 vehicles on the offense. Lootas and 10-man Boyz hold the fort.

Any opinions?



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I'm not wuite sure if the wagons will be effective enough with next to no upgrades... ?
And do the Nobs need cybork bodies?

Boss would do nicely with a attack squig, cannot beat that extra attack

I tend to find that nobz with a painboy don't need eavy armour as the painboy gives feel no pain, and you definately need cybork bodies or else power weapons will slaughter them.

The battlewagon has no weapon, so if someone scores a weapon destroyed result then the wagon becomes immobilised. Then weapon destroyed becomes immobilised, already immobilised = wrecked. Best to add a 5 point big shoota to give a extra life line as such.

Apart from 'eavy armour what else can i drop to fing those points?



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Considering i'd want 25-50pts worth of cybork bodies, and 15pts for BSs on the wagons, and 15pts for an attack squig.
Thats 55-80 points...?

10 shoota boyz? 10 orks won't last 5 minutes, in cover or not.

I need those to stay back, just hold my base objective not so?

If that's what they are for then 10 is fine. Ork's are meant to attack. use the points towards your attack.

I definitely second the big shootas on the wagons. Not sure I agree with the eavy armor, but can see the logic in it. I'm just a very poor roller so that could be clouding my judgement.

adielubbe wrote:I need those to stay back, just hold my base objective not so?

Do you think 10 orks will last on a objective long? They are a chink in your armour, most will suss out what your doing with them and will send a unit after them to take them out. 10 ork boyz will not hold and run off. I'd just send assault terminators after then and job done or a tactical squad or perhaps some ordnance and bomb the hell out of them. Trust me, whether on the objective or not, 10 boyz won't last.

Your lootas are a problem, too.
They will probably run as soon as they take some wounds.
If you plan on sticking your Big mek with 'em... that's better... Otherwise, the best lootas 9while expensive) are 15-strong units.
...actually, even with the Mek, 15 is best.

As has been said, too, taking small units of boyz is bad news.

Also: Where's the Power Klaw on your Warboss? All the hits he scores will be crap against SM's and Terminators, who will get their regular Armor Saves against it.
IMO, No warboss or Nob should ever be taken without a PK.

Eric

Perhaps I'll drop the small boys squad, in favour of more lootas, and more PK's and some shiny stuff on the Wagons .
I'm just wondering, if i play a purely objective based mission. I would want my entire force attacking...
What should i do with regards to capturing my home objective?

Big choppa is about equal to slugga + choppa if you are taking on T4 opponents. You could save a few points by down grading... 4 S4/5 attacks vs 3 S6/7 attacks. Not a bad trade-off.

You are not using your elite slots so a thought would be 2 or 3 minimum squads of lootas. Yes they will run but that opponents can't just target the one big obvious target. You can also apply them to multiple targets.

Perhaps add a cannon to the battlewagons. A long-ranged S8 shot to target vehicles and protect your wagons from immobilize results.

I would recommend 20 or 30 grots instead of the 10 orks as your objective holder. They are harder to run off than boyz and would provide a nice cover save for your lootas. If I recall. 20 grots and their slavers runs about the same as your 10 boyz.

Perhaps a combi-skorcha or two for the nobz. Nice to soften up targets with a S5 template or two before the nobz hit.

Ok, those are all small things, that i can change...
Is there anything to improve upon with the genral list -apart from dropping the small boyz squad?

IMO, you absolutely need armour plates on the wagons. With them, the only way to stop your wagons is to immobolize or destroy them outright. Also, if you get crew stunned, you can't disembark, and that could really foil your plans. Also, take kannons as your weapon. A frag shot is S4, therefore defensive, and you can fire them after moving 13" (red paint). Pick up either boarding planks or deff rollas, both are dead good options. Consider dropping the Nobz down to 7 or eight to get points. Either that or switch them out for meganobs and a megaboss, you could get 9 and the 'boss for around the same pts as the nob squad and the boss you currently use. They might be slower, but they're arder and all have P.K's. Carnage!

Finally, get kombi-skorchas with spare pts. Burny fun!

adielubbe wrote:
I'm just wondering, if i play a purely objective based mission. I would want my entire force attacking...
What should i do with regards to capturing my home objective?

You're right. You would want the entire force attacking.
In that instance, you want to get as many of the objectives as possible as for "forward (from your perspective) as possible.
You'll be trying to get into the heat of the battle, so you want them to be as close to the heat of the battle as possible, so their easier to get back to, if needed.
Remember that people tend to ignore Trukks when the boys get out of them.
Work this to your advantage. Move them EVERY TURN, and try to (a) keep them from being assaulted and (b) get them cover saves whenever possible.
I can't tell you HOW many times I've had an ignored Trukk pick up a unit of boys on turn 4 or 5 and get them to an objective by moving at top speed.

Warboss Gutrip wrote:Also, if you get crew stunned, you can't disembark, and that could really foil your plans.

Okay. I've NEVER seen that rule, and we've NEVER used it in my group.
Can you point me to a page # for that rule, please?

I'm not saying your wrong. I'm saying, "If you're right, please tell me where to find it, since I can't." No "attitude" intended with the request.

Thanks.


Eric

...Yes but i currently have no trukks in my list ....


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...Yes but i currently have no trukks in my list ....

in my many games, ive found that specilist units, while impressive, dont really pay for themselves. in 15 games when i fielded lootas, they almost never got shot at, but likewise they never really killed anything. another massive problem is the scenarios like dawn of war deployment or the like, lootas will need to footslog on, (if they show up) then spend about 2-3 turns getting into a decent fire posistion....wich leaves maybe 1 turn of shooting? id rather take something a bit more fighty, like more boyz or even a warphead.

I would replac some of the battle wagons with trukks yes they can't move as may aronded but battle wagons are fire magents in every time i use them they die cos my oppent just lascannons them but if you hav trukks theres more to shot at and what unit is the big mek joining cos if its lootas give him a shock attack gun as this is so much fun

@ MagickalMemories:
I assumed this was the case, as my friend informed me of it and I have played it ever since, but you are correct, as I have never seen it in the rules. Meh, my fault for not cross-referencing everything he says...

DarthSpader wrote:another massive problem is the scenarios like dawn of war deployment or the like, lootas will need to footslog on, (if they show up) then spend about 2-3 turns getting into a decent fire posistion....wich leaves maybe 1 turn of shooting? id rather take something a bit more fighty, like more boyz or even a warphead.

That is why I'm a proponent of Lootas in battlewagons. You only lose ONE turn of shooting, in that case.

oldone wrote:I would replac some of the battle wagons with trukks yes they can't move as may aronded but battle wagons are fire magents in every time i use them they die cos my oppent just lascannons them but if you hav trukks theres more to shot at and what unit is the big mek joining cos if its lootas give him a shock attack gun as this is so much fun

If you're joining a Big Mek to a Loota unit, NEVER give him a SAG.
1) The Lootas (and vehicle, if they're in one) need that cover save afforded by a KFF
2) The last thing you want is for the SAG to screw up while the Big Mek's attached to a unit of Lootas.

Warboss Gutrip wrote:@ MagickalMemories:
I assumed this was the case, as my friend informed me of it and I have played it ever since, but you are correct, as I have never seen it in the rules. Meh, my fault for not cross-referencing everything he says...

LOL
Understood. Been there, done that.
Sounds like, maybe, he was afraid of your Boyz charge?

Eric

But surely a wagon+loota+KFF Mech unit is rediculously expensive compared to what it actually does in a real game...?

adielubbe wrote:But surely a wagon+loota+KFF Mech unit is rediculously expensive compared to what it actually does in a real game...?

Well, now, you're right.
It IS an expensive unit. Compared to what it does in a game.... Eh... YMMV.
I've had spectacular experiences with lootas every time I've made a list and included them. So, for me, it's all good.
I don't ALWAYS do the KFF & Wagon route, but I ALWAYS take 15.

Also, keep in mind that I'm saying *IF* you take them, here's what you should do.
That's important.
In a 1500 point list, maybe not. Depends on what you load up with 'em. My group always plays HARD lists at 2000 points or more. There are no fluff-monkeys in my gaming group. Again, YMMV.

That KFF Mek will earn his points on turn 1 alone if you have a lot of vehicles and keep them all within range of the KFF. Well... he'll earn SOME points back. LOL

You could drop the Wagon, but I'm a strong proponent of 15 Lootas & a KFF (with Bosspole!)... or 15 Lootas, minimum.
It's 225 points, but 15 - 45 S7 shots...That's beasty.

Eric

I agree with you, and i intend to take a large squad in all my future games