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StarFyre wrote:
i just hope they show abaddon tomorrow!

Here, here. And the new Terminators

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is the new chaos primaris scaled?

StarFyre wrote:
is the new chaos primaris scaled?

The new what?

I mean, I can’t see how they aren’t showing Abaddon tomorrow.
They’ve set it all up with the 80 days and all that.

Also where are the sprues floating around? We’ve not had the pictures here..?

I think they were always going to be mixed like DI, this wasn’t like the boxes full of ETB kits that came out (and didn’t they come after each one individually? I can’t remember now..)

This was posted over on Bolter and Chainsword

The Librarian, Captain and Vorash Soulflayer have their own sprues

Someone broke down what as likely on each sprue a few pages back, and it seemed to make sense with the double models etc, so I just assumed it would be pretty much spot on..

Depending on their points cost, greater possessed might be an easy pick for my three maulerfiends. Getting +1 strength from big possessed as well as from a herald is a nice combo. Finally getting S16/8 maulerfiends without psykers will be fun.

Those characters will get separate releases at some point as the forgebane guys did, and that elder guy will (or did? I forget now..)
Well I’d be surprised if they didn’t. But not for 6-12 months after this box stops being available..

Looks like the Captain and the Librarian are on separate, individuals Sprues. I would anticipate them coming out separately in the future. Otherwise, all of my guesses for the sprues were correct. I can't spot it they have head options like I theorized though.

I just think the unique sprue for the Primaris will have all the heads for the doubled sprue.
Dark Vengeance did that for sure with the gun chaos Marine or whichever guy was doubled there..

Danny76 wrote:
Those characters will get separate releases at some point as the forgebane guys did, and that elder guy will (or did? I forget now..)
Well I’d be surprised if they didn’t. But not for 6-12 months after this box stops being available..

DI characters were never released separately. Hilariously enough, even though there are about eight thousand different Primaris Lieutenant models (all with gak wargear,) you cannot actually walk in the store and just buy a vanilla Primaris Lieutenant. They're all either chapter specific, some limited editions, or come in big boxed sets.

Danny76 wrote:
I just think the unique sprue for the Primaris will have all the heads for the doubled sprue.
Dark Vengeance did that for sure with the gun chaos Marine or whichever guy was doubled there..

I count five heads for the Marines on the sprue, one of which has a hood. That covers the contents of the sprue (three Infiltrators, one Eliminator, one Suppressor). The alternate head for the Eliminator might be on the non-duplicate sprue, like you said.

This release is super strange. Bespoke sprues, super small units, grey coloured plastic instead of coloured, a ton of heroes or "special" guys (counting the greater possessed here)...it all seems like a starter, but without a big book *and* more expensive.

PS: I'm probably late, but the community site put up sprue pics while I was typing this.

Unboxing:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/04/mar-4-shadowspear-unboxedgw-homepage-post-1/

 Crimson wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Those characters will get separate releases at some point as the forgebane guys did, and that elder guy will (or did? I forget now..)
Well I’d be surprised if they didn’t. But not for 6-12 months after this box stops being available..

DI characters were never released separately. Hilariously enough, even though there are about eight thousand different Primaris Lieutenant models (all with gak wargear,) you cannot actually walk in the store and just buy a vanilla Primaris Lieutenant. They're all either chapter specific, some limited editions, or come in big boxed sets.

That’s a starter set though, I don’t think characters ever have separate from them..
I said Forgebane, and Eldar as in the wake the Dead box etc (being that they are all on their own little sprues). Though as I say, so far it might just be Forgebane, but I don’t think that’s too crazy a precedent..

Also DI is still available, so that wouldn’t apply yet even if it were part of my statement (But not for 6-12 months after this box stops being available..)

StarFyre wrote:
is the new chaos primaris scaled?

It seems like they are the same size as the chaos marines in Blackstone Fortress, so bigger than the old ones but slightly smaller than primaris.

StarFyre wrote:is the new chaos primaris scaled?

There is nothing saying anything is chaos primaris. All the marines however are likely the new slightly larger size we started seeing with Deathwatch, and continuing with Thousand Sons, Death Guard, and in Blackstone Fortress.

Pandabeer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
If Dark Angels can't have all this new units (And why shouldn't they?) then thats it for me, I won't be buying the box.

Well, GW already put up the middle finger to DW/BA/DA/DW by denying them access to the Indomitus Crusaders specialist detachment, so I'm worried they might do it again.

If they do that again because of "chapter diversity" they better start hurrying up with Primaris Thunderwolf Cavalry, Death Company and Ravenwing Black Knights

As far as I remember these chapters didn't really participate in the Indomitus Crusade. DA, BA, SW all lost significant numbers at the onset and were given Primaris to reinforce their ranks. Ranks of Primaris that ultimately didn't participate in the bulk of the fighting the main Crusade force did.

Further the specialist detachment is intended to be somewhat specific to the campaign, and as far as I've seen those chapter haven't been mentioned bringing that sort of force. Right now we don't really have much to go on as far as how those non-codex chapters are integrating their Primaris... which could retro-actively justify for or against having access to the detachment.

So we have a specialist detachment effectively representing veteran marines of a particular type coming together and reforming into something resembling how they fought during Crusade to fight on Vigilus... then we have chapters that hardly participated in that war, and that haven't extensively participated in this new war... You wouldn't demand to take Tyrannic War veterans as those other chapters. Cause that kinda what you're asking for.

 Crimson wrote:
Unboxing:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/03/04/mar-4-shadowspear-unboxedgw-homepage-post-1/

Huh, there are six heads on the duplicate SM sprue, but only five bodies. And they specifically call out the Eliminator hooded head. I think there might actually be a head option!

so odd there have been a few people with the box now and no details about the WL traits or powers etc

Datasheet leaks hit this morning. Will be surprised if we don't have the traits and psyker powers by midweek.

Mostly want to know the rules for inclusion in non Codex armies (DG/TS/BA/DA/SW/DW).

 aka_mythos wrote:

StarFyre wrote:is the new chaos primaris scaled?

There is nothing saying anything is chaos primaris. All the marines however are likely the new slightly larger size we started seeing with Deathwatch, and continuing with Thousand Sons, Death Guard, and in Blackstone Fortress.

Quite certain StarFyre meant "Is the new Chaos primaris-scaled?" as in "Are the new Chaos Space Marines upscaled to match Primaris Space Marines?" Y'all have answered their question but just defending that I don't think Fyre assumed Chaos Primaris are a thing either

Fan of the new eevil stuff, probably split the box and have a crack at the Chaos side. Only things I don't really like are the feet on the oblits (wondering if I can get centurion feet and swap them in for the big derp helbrute feet, as the one clearly has those boots as well) and the big grabby hands on the possessed, which I've already got warp talon claws to replace with. My main concern is if there will be the horrible undercutting (is that what it's called? lazy sprue-making shortcuts) that the DV Chosen have going on. Doesn't look like it from the sprue shots, thankfully.

I'd be happy with 4 oblits and no tick as well, don't really care about that thing, but also don't hate it.

 Latro_ wrote:
so odd there have been a few people with the box now and no details about the WL traits or powers etc

Agreed. Two new disciplines and what looks like six Warlord Traits. And not a peep!

Is it readable on the WHC pictures?

Danny76 wrote:
Is it readable on the WHC pictures?

Not easily. They've blurred the pages.

Hey

i mean are these chaos models scaled to the primaris models or still the older style marines?

(im guessing longer term, the idea will be to just phase out the older models once everything has a primaris version so that all the older scale models can be phased out with newer scaled stuff- but that would assume all new marines will be larger scale)

Like update fluff again, so that primaris was never a thing or something. its just marines/chaos and everyone will have the newer type of models if they decided to pay to buy em all.

REgards,

Sanjay

topaxygouroun i wrote:

StarFyre wrote:
is the new chaos primaris scaled?

The new what?

Considering the unboxing was available before 4pm, is the unboxing all there is to the '4pm announcement' or is there to be more?

The announcement at 4 tomorrow is the 80 days being up,
Not shadowspear related.
Abaddon cometh

Danny76 wrote:
The announcement at 4 tomorrow is the 80 days being up,
Not shadowspear related.
Abaddon cometh

Tuesday! Jebus. I'm not with it, I thought it was today! Sorry

Pandabeer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
If Dark Angels can't have all this new units (And why shouldn't they?) then thats it for me, I won't be buying the box.

Well, GW already put up the middle finger to DW/BA/DA/DW by denying them access to the Indomitus Crusaders specialist detachment, so I'm worried they might do it again.

If they do that again because of "chapter diversity" they better start hurrying up with Primaris Thunderwolf Cavalry, Death Company and Ravenwing Black Knights

It's almost as though consolidation for Dark Angels and Blood Angels would be a good thing...

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Pandabeer wrote:

 Galas wrote:
If Dark Angels can't have all this new units (And why shouldn't they?) then thats it for me, I won't be buying the box.

Well, GW already put up the middle finger to DW/BA/DA/DW by denying them access to the Indomitus Crusaders specialist detachment, so I'm worried they might do it again.

If they do that again because of "chapter diversity" they better start hurrying up with Primaris Thunderwolf Cavalry, Death Company and Ravenwing Black Knights

It's almost as though consolidation for Dark Angels and Blood Angels would be a good thing...

Or that having an entire Codex for just a single Chapter (when other First Founding chapters don't even get a model) plus vast numbers of super special models makes you entitled and massively clogs up the entire production scedule.

Having the new stealth Marines as Raven Guard might have been nice.