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So I think that the eldar aren't dying out at all.

Because they send they're troops out with no armour and a ninja-shotgun, they sacrifice they're best warriors to their god and they are always getting killed, there also BS 3, which goes to show how much training they provided to them. You drive a tank and your BS 3, you have every technological advancement ever and a 20 year old guardsmen in a sweaty caustraphobic leman russ shoots as well as you?

What actually happens is there are only so many flats on a craftworld, and because the eldar breed like rabbits theres no housing.

So the farseer (who is in charge of pop control) goes "Oh look orks, they will kill our craftworld in 1000 years if we dont divert them now!" The army goes in, a bunch die, the orks are not stopped in any obvious way. But now there are flats free for the next generation.

What about Iyanden? why dont they just keep breeding, well un fortunately Iyanden lost all its women.. Only old women left.. so yeah.

Why dont they settle new worlds? See the thing is Eldar are truly fussy whingers, and refuse to settle new worlds. It would be like asking a city person to live in the desert in a hut, they'd rather die or let poor people die instead.

Why dont they build new craftworlds? Well this one is simple, cause the farseers won't let them. If Ulthwe built a new craftworld then everyone would leave Ulthwe.. because the Farseers are so annoying.

So there you have it why the eldar fight like fools in the 41st millenium, because there are only so many flats and Eldrad is a dick.

I think Guardians should be squatted. A DYING RACE sending its civilians IN WAVES at the enemy doesn't make any sense at all.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I think Guardians should be squatted. A DYING RACE sending its civilians IN WAVES at the enemy doesn't make any sense at all.

Even though the IG send waves of "fighters" in and all they are if fodder?

At OP, do you actually have a point? or are you just trolling?

If you read the fluff its all explained

There was no point I could establish other than "spess elves are stoopid". I dunno where to begin arguing on every point

Their race is dieing and some Craftworlds are forced to send in the civilians in addition to the Aspect Warriors because they simply do not have enough for a proper fighting force. Every time an Eldar dies it gives strength to Ynnead, the god of death.

Lexicanum wrote:Ynnead represents the last hope of the dwindling Eldar race. They believe that when the Infinity Circuits hold all the spirits of their race, all of the Craftworlds will unite into one Infinity Circuit, and the collective spirits of the Eldar will join to form a new Power in the Warp that will battle and subdue Slaanesh, so that Eldar spirits may once more be able to merge with it and form a single, balanced entity. By doing so, if such a thing is possible, they hope that this will allow the Eldar race to be reborn into a better form. Meanwhile the Craftworlds and the spirit stones must be guarded from harm and continue to survive, so that all Eldar can see and form in their own minds a concept of the Eldar virtues that will enter along with their spirits into the Infinity Circuits.

Ynnead itself (the God of the Dead) is supposedly a nascent Eldar god growing in the collective Infinity Circuits of every craftworld, from the souls of dead Eldar. It has yet to manifest itself, as it has yet to attain enough power to fulfill its purpose: to destroy Slaanesh and free the Eldar. Its relationship to Kaela Mensha Khaine is unclear.

As Eldar die and their souls become part of the Infinity Circuits, the god grows in power. A few Eldar Seers believe that once every single Eldar has died, Ynnead will awaken and have the strength to defeat Slaanesh forever.

That actually made sense to me.


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children of filth wrote:That actually made sense to me.


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you're kidding right?

In the absence of any actual standing military, small forces will institute civilian conscription. The Eldar don't want to fight, but they know they must. And I concur, this thread appears to be a "hur hur, space elves is stoooopid" thread. Probably a Spehss Marine player... lol

Actually I play eldar too..

Im sorry they just dont make sense.. this is how I think of them. Farseers are dicks who send everyone to die.

If you really could farsee, then you should win most of your battles, but in the fluff they dont. If anything Tigurus is the greatest farseer ever by fluff.

Also their tech is crap, bs3 on tanks, catapult, no assualt vehicle.

Now you may say rules arent fluff.. no gak, but they should atleast reflect fluff remotely.

Thats my opinion. cling to you eldrad propaganda about dying race, cause it doesn't make sense.

Actually, the Farseers undertand that time is mutable but some events cannot be avoided, only delayed or changed. Admittedly your bound to get a Farseer who is, as you put it, 'a dick' however, the idea of civilian conscription to help an addled and dying military force is far more realistic, and alot better formed than the drivel you speak sir.

To each their own, but when the imperium of man with teeming billions fights the same way as eldar only slower I laugh at the dying bit.

Cheese Elemental wrote:I think Guardians should be squatted. A DYING RACE sending its civilians IN WAVES at the enemy doesn't make any sense at all.

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Not that i's like to admit that the eldar are dying out (because they are obviously the best race in the 40K world) the fact they send out guardians is proof theyre dying out ( ), they dont have enough aspect warriors so they send in the civilians.

Viva la Eldar!!!!!

I agree partially with the OP.


The problems I have with the Eldar are they're 60 million years old, the most technological race in the galaxy. You'd think they'd have the technology to increase the BS of their tanks, and make their shuriken catapults a lot better.

Their Guardiands don't make much sense in that they have short range weapons when the unit is mostly deisgned for defence, thus you would give them weapons with greater distance, better armour, and technology to increase their BS (such as Tau).

Their weaponry and armour for the Aspect Warriors also don't make much sense. They all have a 4+ save but you'd think for a race 60 million years old they would have developed armour that would give them a 3/2+ save, weapons that increase the range and strength, a varity of different tanks and walkers.

I also believe Farseers and Warlocks should have more powers and there should be a class that is a warrior/psyker but alas there is none.

Eldar also don't tend to colonize worlds very much (infact I have never read any fluff to support they do) along with doing anything to increase the birth rate of their race. If they were truley dying then they would have robots to do most of the fighting for them.

The impression I get from Eldar is that they're simular to Imperical Guard with smaller numbers and dedicated units to a specific role. Hopefully at some point they will make Eldar more realistic.

Interesting theory. Maybe under those Farseer helmets we'd find the face of a Tau Ethereal?

The joy of 40K fluff is that you can make it what you want.

In your personal fluff Biel Tan are such a presence because they've "got back on track" and have decided to quit ebing emo. Their aggressiveness belies their growing capabilities. Like an economy they've been in a racial trough for 10K years but have hit bottom. The first "greenshoots" pardon the pun are being seen in the new Biel Tan resurgence. The time of the eldar is coming again.

Well, on the other hand, a fully trained IG trooper is the equal (in skill terms) of a conscript Eldar citizen, who very well could be, in their "day job" a dancer or a poet or a chef!

Compare an IG conscript to a Guardian.....now what do you think! Not to mention, the Eldar Guardian gets to drive a tank, operate a weapons platform, pilot a walker, and fly a jet bike! An IG conscript gets given a direction, a torch and a t-shirt!....

Yeah, I can see why Eldar are stupid ?!?!?

Shaman wrote:Farseers are dicks who send everyone to die.

So what does that make the IG Commisars and generals? They're reknown for solving their problems by throwing more bodies at it.

Meh not a fan of Eldar... Dark Eldar though, they would serve the Chaos Gods well, if they would stop letting their own insanity cloud their vision...

Delephont wrote:Well, on the other hand, a fully trained IG trooper is the equal (in skill terms) of a conscript Eldar citizen, who very well could be, in their "day job" a dancer or a poet or a chef!

Compare an IG conscript to a Guardian.....now what do you think! Not to mention, the Eldar Guardian gets to drive a tank, operate a weapons platform, pilot a walker, and fly a jet bike! An IG conscript gets given a direction, a torch and a t-shirt!....

Yeah, I can see why Eldar are stupid ?!?!?

There is a huge difference here.

The Eldar have the technology and resources compared to the Imperium to train the Guardian much better. An Eldar is physically superior to a Human in every way along with 60 million years worth of technology to enhance them.

But they still lose......just as planned.

Actually most farseers are alright. It's just a stereotype that they're dicks... thanks to Eldrad and his publicity.

Shaman wrote:So I think that the eldar aren't dying out at all.

Because they send they're troops out with no armour and a ninja-shotgun, they sacrifice they're best warriors to their god and they are always getting killed, there also BS 3, which goes to show how much training they provided to them. You drive a tank and your BS 3, you have every technological advancement ever and a 20 year old guardsmen in a sweaty caustraphobic leman russ shoots as well as you?

What actually happens is there are only so many flats on a craftworld, and because the eldar breed like rabbits theres no housing.

So the farseer (who is in charge of pop control) goes "Oh look orks, they will kill our craftworld in 1000 years if we dont divert them now!" The army goes in, a bunch die, the orks are not stopped in any obvious way. But now there are flats free for the next generation.

What about Iyanden? why dont they just keep breeding, well un fortunately Iyanden lost all its women.. Only old women left.. so yeah.

Why dont they settle new worlds? See the thing is Eldar are truly fussy whingers, and refuse to settle new worlds. It would be like asking a city person to live in the desert in a hut, they'd rather die or let poor people die instead.

Why dont they build new craftworlds? Well this one is simple, cause the farseers won't let them. If Ulthwe built a new craftworld then everyone would leave Ulthwe.. because the Farseers are so annoying.

So there you have it why the eldar fight like fools in the 41st millenium, because there are only so many flats and Eldrad is a dick.

I smell the hate.

Nice way to start arguement though, kudos.

Call me a flamer, people, but I say fight fire with fire.

Dark Lord Seanron wrote:Actually, the Farseers undertand that time is mutable but some events cannot be avoided, only delayed or changed. Admittedly your bound to get a Farseer who is, as you put it, 'a dick' however, the idea of civilian conscription to help an addled and dying military force is far more realistic, and alot better formed than the drivel you speak sir.

Not really, the Eldar live on spaceships and have no need to stand and fight anyone. The whole lot of them could pick up their toys and sod off to the next galaxy until they got their numbers back up. It sounds like the farseers are a waste of space as they're not capable of changing anything - arrrgh we're all doooomed! Then why do we fight? To delay the inevitable... Huh, isn't that an oxymoron? Look, keep this to yourself but I'm not always right. So we're not doomed? Well arrr, maybe, yes I'm sure we are but best not to commit mass suicide just in case. I'm converting to the greater good.

lol

@Cadren: The Eldar know they are doomed and aren't really trying to change it.They understand that they'll be screwed so they said to theirselves "We might as well use our remaining time to try to defeat Chaos". You, know in a suicidal "If I'm goin' down you're coming with me!" fight to the finish. Also the Eldar beleive that once all eldar are dead a new Eldar God will be born powerful enough to defeat the Prince of Pleasure forever and the Eldar will be reborn in a new form where they will be untainted by filth.

If you really could farsee, then you should win most of your battles, but in the fluff they dont. If anything Tigurus is the greatest farseer ever by fluff.

Sanguinius knew he would die when fighting horus, but he did so anyway simply to do his duties.
Just because you know and dont like the outcome does not mean it shouldnt be done.
Just because they know a battle will be lost it does not mean they wont gain from it, be it intelligence or even an artifact.

Or maybe... an ally

Munch Munch! wrote:@Cadren: The Eldar know they are doomed and aren't really trying to change it.They understand that they'll be screwed so they said to theirselves "We might as well use our remaining time to try to defeat Chaos". You, know in a suicidal "If I'm goin' down you're coming with me!" fight to the finish. Also the Eldar beleive that once all eldar are dead a new Eldar God will be born powerful enough to defeat the Prince of Pleasure forever and the Eldar will be reborn in a new form where they will be untainted by filth.

Then surely their game plan should be to engineer the destruction of the Dark Eldar and then kill themselves. Anything beyond that is pointless.

I've actually posted about the Eldar god of death in this topic, scroll up a bit. By the looks of it the souls need to be captured by the infinity circuit to effect the god of death. Dark Eldar don't do that and their souls are captured by Slanessh if I remember right. So only all the normal Eldar need to die to maybe make a new god that might be able to defeat Slaneesh.

Shaman wrote:
Because they send they're troops out with no armour and a ninja-shotgun, they sacrifice they're best warriors to their god and they are always getting killed, there also BS 3, which goes to show how much training they provided to them. You drive a tank and your BS 3, you have every technological advancement ever and a 20 year old guardsmen in a sweaty caustraphobic leman russ shoots as well as you?

...and meanwhile, Dark Eldar have BS4 vehicles.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:

Shaman wrote:
Because they send they're troops out with no armour and a ninja-shotgun, they sacrifice they're best warriors to their god and they are always getting killed, there also BS 3, which goes to show how much training they provided to them. You drive a tank and your BS 3, you have every technological advancement ever and a 20 year old guardsmen in a sweaty caustraphobic leman russ shoots as well as you?

...and meanwhile, Dark Eldar have BS4 vehicles.

The dark Eldar with lower BS would not be driving vehicles. They'ed be dead or in another profession.
But Craftworld Eldar dont torutre eachother (as far as we know)