Gunbattle at Ft Hood

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**Frazzled**

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html
Some report two shooters, some three at point of writing. This doesn't look good.

**Emperors Faithful**

Gee, that PLACE doesn't look good. Talk about a bad record.

**KingCracker**

My brother in law is there right now. Infact he keeps calling my mother inlaw and her calling us to keep us up to date I guess. Right now, they arnt sure how many there are. But he thinks theres one or two in custody
Hes been told there is 7 dead and arounr 20-30 wounded.

**warpcrafter**

I'm watching the coverage on CNN now, and they're scrambling for anything to say, and not doing a very good job of it. They just said one of the shooters is in custody.

**Cane**

RIP. Hope they get the perps and render some proper justice; military justice.

**warpcrafter**

Preferably, they should take them all alive, so they can find out why they did it.

**Squig_herder**

PTS people and guns dont mix, dont know how much clearer I can make this.

30 people injured on last update here

**sexiest_hero**

Odd, they hit the deployment readyness area, and the site of a graduation. Who ever it was, they had an intimate knowlege of the base and times of events.

**warpcrafter**

Squig_herder wrote:PTS people and guns dont mix, dont know how much clearer I can make this.

30 people injured on last update here

Yep, the military needs to do a better job of identifying such cases and treating them.

**Frazzled**

You're assuming its military. I would assume nothing at this point.

**warpcrafter**

Frazzled wrote:You're assuming its military. I would assume nothing at this point.

You think it might be someone who dressed up as soldiers and snuck onto the base? That's even more troubling.

**Squig_herder**

Frazzled wrote:You're assuming its military. I would assume nothing at this point.

7 news here say that the shooters are military personal who are suffering PTS, according to their source.

**Frazzled**

Yep. Lets see what it is first. Could be jilted boytoy went berserk, could be terrorists. Lets wait a bit.

**sexiest_hero**

Just reported 3 Troops who went nuts, they have been caught or killed, 12 dead 31 wounded, so far.

**Squig_herder**

Frazzled wrote:Yep. Lets see what it is first. Could be jilted boytoy went berserk, could be terrorists. Lets wait a bit.

Im not pointing fingers, I totally that we will have to wait to get the full story.

I cant help but feel that no matter the out-come little to none will be done on the issue, eg. tightening of military checking [if it is the military] or gun control or anything along those lines.

**reds8n**

Sad news indeed.

Ft. Hood being a large military base/training camp yes ? Does it have any special significance at all ?

Wait...

radio just said 12 dead, 31 wounded 1 gunman dead.. 2 other soldiers ( !) tracked and arrested.

.. this is sounding very odd here. Very sad news.

**Frazzled**

Ft. Hood is a very large army base in north central Texas.

Let the conspiracy theories begin. 3 guys? that doesn't sound like a frakout and doesn't sound like bad blood.

**dogma**

Squig_herder wrote:
I cant help but feel that no matter the out-come little to none will be done on the issue, eg. tightening of military checking [if it is the military] or gun control or anything along those lines.

Honestly, unless this is a case of a civilian sneaking in, I doubt there's much that could be done.

Given the stress of combat, especially given the current rigors of repeated deployment, this has to be taken as something of a tragic reality; barring any glaring breaches of conduct, of course.

**sexiest_hero**

The troop killed was an Army Major dual wielding 15 clip 9mm's. He was in his 30's.

**reds8n**

Frazzled wrote: 3 guys? that doesn't sound like a frakout and doesn't sound like bad blood.

Yeah, and if it's the former you don't really "plan" it as much as this seems to have been. Very odd.

Still kudos to the authorities who acted swiftly and get well soon to those wounded.

MOD HAT : people.. let's.. you know.. for the recent dead and so on m'kay. Everyone has been fine so far. Thank you.

**Frazzled**

The one shot dead was named:Maj. Malik Hassan
No name yet on the captured shooter.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yea calling it now. It will be hushed up (again) but this isn't domestic relations gone bad. This was planned.

ABC reports

12 Soldiers Killed and 31 Wounded in Fort Hood Shooting
Suspected Gunman Is Identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan
By EMILY FRIEDMAN
Nov. 5, 2009 —

Twelve people have been killed and 31 wounded in a shooting spree at a Texas military base by what officials believe was possibly carried out by an Army officer.

The suspected gunman was identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan.

The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.

The gunman used two handguns, Cone said. He wasn't sure if the shooter reloaded the weapons during the attack.

The general called the attack "a terrible tragedy, stunning." He said the community was "absolutely devastated."

The extent of the injuries of victims "varies significantly," according to Cone.

President Obama called the Fort Hood shootings a "horrific outburst of violence."

"It if difficult enough to lose" soldiers overseas, but said it is "horrifying that they should lose their lives at an Army base in the U.S.," he said.

The president said "my prayers are with the wounded and the families of the fallen."

Cone said the motive for the attack, which took place just after 1:30 p.m. CT, is unclear.

Fort Hood, located just 60 miles north from Austin, is the largest U.S. military installation in the world, and has suffered the greatest number of casualities of all American bases in the war on Iraq.

The base is a 340 sq. mile facility located in Killeen, Texas and is home to the 1st Cavalry Division, which was one of the first groups of soldiers deployed to Iraq.

The military said today that "more than one shooter" opened fire in the Soldiers Readiness Processing Center and the Howze Theater on the base.

The processing center is where soldiers go to get last minute dental and medical clearance before going to war.

The Howze Theater was scheduled to hold a college graduation service this afternoon. According to a base newspaper, the Fort Hood newspaper, the ceremony was supposed to recognized soldiers and family members who had missed commencement ceremonies due to deployments.

Schools on the base has also been placed on lockdown. A message on Fort Hood's public affairs office Web site reads, "Organizations/units are instructed to execute a 100 percent accountability of all personnel. This is not a Drill. It is an Emergency Situation."

According to a source on the base, it is rare for firearms to be on the base because they are locked up.

Homeland Security said it is still gathering information and that the "Army is taking the lead" as of now. FBI agents from Waco and Austin, Texas, are being deployed to the scene.

An army spokesman said that unit commanders have been instructed to account for all of their personnel.

"The immediate concern is to make sure that all of our soldiers and family members are safe and that's what commanders have been instructed to do," said Jay Adams of First Army, Division West, located at Fort Hood.

The CounterTerrorist Unit said they have "no word" yet on whether this incident was terrorism-related. At least six victims are being treated at the Metroplex Hospital five miles away.

**Kilkrazy**

This is terrible news, I just caught it on the Radio 4 10 o'clock bulletin.

**Kanluwen**

Agreed, Frazz. No way this was just a spur of the moment thing--a shooter and two accomplices who can be linked to him all on the same day?

You have to wonder what the hell caused it though, so will be interesting to see how this develops.

**dogma**

Major Malik Nadal Hasan

*Waits for the inevitable series of articles questioning terrorist infiltration of the military.

**Cheese Elemental**

That's horrible. Are military personnel permitted to carry firearms inside the base when not training or on parade?

If they weren't military personnel, then that probably warrants a review of security in bases like this.

**Kanluwen**

Anything's possible. The military has been dealing with gangmembers and the concurrent fallout of gangs and the like having members in the military.

**Falconlance**

First thing I thought when I heard this was "I wonder if Frazz has put it up yet?"

What a bummer.... I don't quite know how to feel about this.. angry or sad...

You really think it was PTSD?

**Kanluwen**

It just happened, no real way to tell yet. Especially with the shooter dead.

**warpcrafter**

I heard one shooter was killed and two other suspects are in custody, but I have not heard confirmation of whether or not the other two are also shooters.

**sexiest_hero**

He had been ordered to be deplyed, and was a medical doctor and V.Tech Grad. (why do shooters come from there)

-MY PERSONAL GUESS- He was fed up with the war and being deployed in a war he felt was against his culture/beliefs, Texas has a lor of extreme blowhards who rant on the radio and on post. (I'm in the military I've heard the rants first hand) Who knows when or what turned a doctor who spent his whole life learning to save people, into a horrible mass murderer. I think he may have heard something that ate him up till he snapped.