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I am collecting tau but dont know if i should put vespids in my army.

IMO no.
They have a very narrow niche and end up like fire dragons.

Short Range, crappy armor, not exactly combat units, nor 'great' shooy unit.
Their only strength is the speed they achieve and the safety moving through terrain.

Their only offensive role would be cleaning up already mauled MEQ squads that are not in cover. If that happens alot, take them, if it doesn't, IMO move onto something else....even kroot would be better IMO.

Atleast fire dragons do what they do the BEST of anyone... Vespids have a niche sure I guess, but that niche is done better by anything in the Tau codex basically

FD arent so narrow either, a squad of 10 is better than banshees at killing marines for the same price :p

"... like fire dragons?" A BS4, Melta unit of 6 or more?

FDs are the backbone of a good anti-armor force. Surely you mean Swooping Hawks?

Sorry I was being vague:

What I had meant was the way they are used, how they are committed, and the results the turn after were like fire dragons.

You drop them on the target of choice, light it up, it dies, and the turn after they die.

Notice the 'END' up like fire dragons... meaning dead.
That is what I meant by "like fire dragons," they engage and then die, with certainty.

vespids are twigs of death.

if you take them, be sure to light up whatever they are shooting at with markerlight... remember, if the strain leader is alive the unit can use markerlights.


and actualy, cant they allways deepstrike??? just deep strike a unit in to blow away a light up dev squad. or whatever unit is annoying you the most.

or they scatter out or range.. into cover.. the unit theyre firing might be in cover..

Basically every single variable in the entire game screws Vespids

Take *anything* else and youll do more damage

Vespids are like crisis suits on downers
about as good at killing marines but drop like flies afterwords.

I don't see any rule allowing the vespid to deep stike. they are regular jump infantry (not like crisis suits).

ssREV wrote:I don't see any rule allowing the vespid to deep stike. they are regular jump infantry (not like crisis suits).

all jump infantry can now deep strike its part of the rules for jump infantry (and jetpacks)

purplefish wrote:I am collecting tau but dont know if i should put vespids in my army.

Do you think that Vespids look cool?
If yes, then you should put them in your army.

Thunder555's WH40K advice: Doesn't matter if your army wins or loses as long as it looks good while doing it.

Thunder555 wrote:

purplefish wrote:I am collecting tau but dont know if i should put vespids in my army.

Do you think that Vespids look cool?
If yes, then you should put them in your army.

Thunder555's WH40K advice: Doesn't matter if your army wins or loses as long as it looks good while doing it.

QFT If you liek their look then find a way to make them work. People laugh when I tell them I typically run 3 units of Swooping Hawks, but I make them work because I love the look.

I think it'd be better to put in a pathfinder unit rather than stingwings. If it takes you a long, long time to figure out how to make a unit effective, it's probably better to just leave them on the shelf.

I think the point of asking was if they were "worth it" in a tactical sense.

From a per Point to Usability ratio, I would classify them a a big fat no.

Tossing in a big fat no here.

Worth the points: No.

Do you like them? That is the only question you should be asking yourself. If yes take 'em nomatter what we say. If no then don't take 'em no matter what we say. It's your army. That's why I play pure GK despite anyone with a brain saying I shouldn't. They are just cool. Do what you want because at the end of the day you are there to play for your benefit, not to make another vanilla army using the exact same units as everyone else does and says simply becasue they are good.

Vespids may not be great but if you like them take them.

On a smaller note.. What would compel someone to think the vespid models are cool enough to include despite being awful from a rules perspective?

Vanguard are awful jump infantry as well BUT vanguard had a super model mom and pop who gave them very attractive genes

Vespid models however are like the hillbilly guy from Harold and Kumar escape from Guantanamo bay crossed with a dark eldar model

Nope, not worth it!

It's always about the model and fluff. If you like it cool, take it.

However, vespid are really only good in a few situations, and are expensive for their utility.

Can you capitalize on their strengths IF you take them? Yes.

Should you take them purely for their tactical advantages, with no real desire to paint the models, etc? Almost always no.

From a strict can they help me win POV: No.
From a efficient use of points POV: No.
From a do the models look cool POV: Eh Maybe.

I don't own any. If I come across them as part of an army being sold where I want other models being sold I might pick them up. That's about the only way that I will use them and only in a friendly game trying out new strategies and hair-brain schemes.

There is no reason to take them, they suck, their models are also not that cool, fluff is not that interesting.

When 'liking their models' gets factored into a reason for taking a unit with respect to it being in the tactics section... there is something wrong at that point, IMO.

Sanctjud wrote:When 'liking their models' gets factored into a reason for taking a unit with respect to it being in the tactics section... there is something wrong at that point, IMO.

The only reason for taking the Space pope is so that you can say "The Space Pope ..." the entire game. That and the model for the Space Pope is much better than that of the Vespids.

I use the bugs in my lists regularly and they can be useful. Ap 3 is good for killing marines, and their high initiative can take people by suprise (this is of course said that their strength and weapon skill are not very good though). Deep strike them in view of the pathfinder's fish and they are can surive terrian very well. Plus with the strainleader they can take markerlight. Just be careful with them. You might want to proxy them for a while and see how it goes.

The space pope! He sucks on toast, but fielding him just makes me smile. It's worth it just to see your opponent's face when you pull him out. Him and his oily striper bodyguards.

Space pope? Oily stripers? Elaborate please.

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Aun' Va the point sink.

Vespid suck pretty bad, there are some better choices to take, dont bother with them.

Everytime someone purchases a Vespid Jervis gets to kill a puppy.