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2009/11/19 22:12:04
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Average Orc Boy
Kentucky
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So does harker do good in any of your armies or would you even consider taking him? He looks as if he could do some good with BS 4 and a Heavy bolter, but alot of things can look good but performing good is a whole different story. So whats your take is he worth bringing to a game or would he just be a waste?
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"They shall be my finest Cannon Fodder, these men who give themselves to me. Like clay I will mold them and in the furnace of war they will become cracked and broken. They will be of tissue paper and whimpy muscle. In tissue paper armor I clad them and with the mightiest flashlights they will be armed. They will be touched by every sort of plauge or disease to help further make them unhappy, all sickness will blight them. They will have almost no tactics, strategies, but lots of machines so that they can atleast stand up to a foe in battle. They are my tar pit against the Terror. They are the bulk of Humanity. They are my Imperial Guard and they will know much fear!"
 Imperial Guardmens blight
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2009/11/19 22:19:06
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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He's a waste of points for what he does.
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2009/11/19 22:37:49
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Average Orc Boy
Kentucky
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Thats kind of disapointing because I find the model really cool looking, so what is it just the point cost that makes him useless? How is he compared to a heavy bolter squad? (I know a bad comparison as both are not used very often, but still)
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"They shall be my finest Cannon Fodder, these men who give themselves to me. Like clay I will mold them and in the furnace of war they will become cracked and broken. They will be of tissue paper and whimpy muscle. In tissue paper armor I clad them and with the mightiest flashlights they will be armed. They will be touched by every sort of plauge or disease to help further make them unhappy, all sickness will blight them. They will have almost no tactics, strategies, but lots of machines so that they can atleast stand up to a foe in battle. They are my tar pit against the Terror. They are the bulk of Humanity. They are my Imperial Guard and they will know much fear!"
Imperial Guardmens blight
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2009/11/19 22:37:58
Subject: Re:Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Infiltrate the squad with an autocannon and 3 plasma guns. Infiltrate them into cover and act as a firebase with MEQ cover-saves. So really he provides camo-cloaks (normally 30pts) aswell as a heavy bolter (10pts) and for the additional 15pts you get a tougher sergeant and the ability to infiltrate/outflank!
180pts well spent.
I would advise against using these guys with melta as, even though you could outflank in a chimera with Harker.. that job is done allot better (for not many more points) by a Valkyrie/Vendetta as it has better armements, can move faster and is better armoured. Str5-7/plasma firebase is where its at!
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:Friend of mine just sent me this:
"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. ."
Too be fair.. it's all worked out quite well!
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2009/11/19 22:38:25
Subject: Re:Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Stabbin' Skarboy
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There is only so much one heavy bolter can do.
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"I can envision a world with no war, pain, or strife, were peace is constant, then I envision attacking that world because they'd never see it coming."
-  Orks, 4175 points
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2009/11/19 22:42:24
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Average Orc Boy
Kentucky
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So he can be useful as a fire base, but would I have to get him a Valkyrie/Vendetta to maxamize this effect or can I just use him as he is with a squad?.
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"They shall be my finest Cannon Fodder, these men who give themselves to me. Like clay I will mold them and in the furnace of war they will become cracked and broken. They will be of tissue paper and whimpy muscle. In tissue paper armor I clad them and with the mightiest flashlights they will be armed. They will be touched by every sort of plauge or disease to help further make them unhappy, all sickness will blight them. They will have almost no tactics, strategies, but lots of machines so that they can atleast stand up to a foe in battle. They are my tar pit against the Terror. They are the bulk of Humanity. They are my Imperial Guard and they will know much fear!"
Imperial Guardmens blight
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2009/11/19 23:33:34
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
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Guttrench Skullsmasha wrote:So he can be useful as a fire base, but would I have to get him a Valkyrie/Vendetta to maxamize this effect or can I just use him as he is with a squad?.
The whole point, with the ability to infiltrate, is that you dont need to use him with a transport. Infiltrating and sitting a veteran squad in cover with relatively long-ranged weapons is the way to go.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Friend of mine just sent me this:
"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. ."
Too be fair.. it's all worked out quite well!
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2009/11/19 23:42:36
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Average Orc Boy
Kentucky
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Ok I'll keep that in mind thank you for the feedback.
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"They shall be my finest Cannon Fodder, these men who give themselves to me. Like clay I will mold them and in the furnace of war they will become cracked and broken. They will be of tissue paper and whimpy muscle. In tissue paper armor I clad them and with the mightiest flashlights they will be armed. They will be touched by every sort of plauge or disease to help further make them unhappy, all sickness will blight them. They will have almost no tactics, strategies, but lots of machines so that they can atleast stand up to a foe in battle. They are my tar pit against the Terror. They are the bulk of Humanity. They are my Imperial Guard and they will know much fear!"
Imperial Guardmens blight
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2009/11/20 05:35:20
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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he worth so you can tease the marines "oh, im sorry you super powered super humans can't fire and move."
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H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, locationMagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
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2009/11/20 13:11:33
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Rotting Sorcerer of Nurgle
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Well...Logan and Long fangs beg to differ. 
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This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
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2009/11/21 20:00:54
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm using Harker like this: infiltrate him with another HB and 3 SR's. I've got 9 shots at 36", wounding infantry well and causing pin checks, with the ability to take out light vehicles too. Good firepower, and having a squad that can infiltrate is nice too. Need for cover is obvious.
The other way I thought of using him was mounted on a chimera with AC/PG combo. With a ML/HB on the chimera, that's 17! shots of heavy dakka at 24" (19 at 6"), outflanking if desired. Some mobile firepower (Harker and the ML, plus the PG's if things are hairy tight), but it can get to a good static position quickly. Sometimes it's be best to get out to avoid angling the boat so as not to draw LoS through the turret from the hatch, exposing the side of it.
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2009/11/21 20:21:09
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Towering Hierophant Bio-Titan
UK
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Sanctjud wrote:Well...Logan and Long fangs beg to differ.
3+ cover save makes all that firepower extremely wasted. His own squad with move-through cover allows you to retreat and hopefully avoid a charge (from the same squad?) while peppering it with some fire (h.bolter & lasgun flashlights)
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Friend of mine just sent me this:
"The Tyranid Codex, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this codex is the worst hell on earth... Hope. ."
Too be fair.. it's all worked out quite well!
Heh. |
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2009/11/21 20:22:03
Subject: Re:Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Revving Ravenwing Biker
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he worth so you can tease the marines "oh, im sorry you super powered super humans can't fire and move."
My 3rd Edition Dark Angels and our Standard of fortitude beg to differ, and yes I still play that old codex, because I refuse to acknowledge a 4th edition codex. (I know I cant run with that at a tournament but in friendly games most people are OK with it. My space wolf adversary prefers a 'competitive' dark angel list) As for Harker I play with the Cadian models so I use Ox from Shaeffers last chancers to represent him, and I put him in a squad with another heavy bolter and three sniper rifles and shoot infantry all day
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-Any terrain containing Sly Marbo is dangerous terrain.
-Sly Marbo once played an objective mission just to see what it was like to not meet every victory condition on his own.
-Sly Marbo bought a third edition rulebook just to play meat grinder as the attacker.
-Marbo doesn't need an Eldar farseer as an ally; his enemies are already doomed
-Sly Marbo was originally armed with a power weapon, but he dropped it while assaulting a space marine command squad just so his enemies could feel pain
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2009/11/21 20:32:09
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm not sure how cover wastes firepower, but I agree that the relentless heavy bolter does make one want to field a footslogging Harker squad with 3 specials and no heavies. I'd still go PG as the range/type mesh with the flashlights, and it's an expensive squad to be suicide meltas.
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2009/11/22 02:36:09
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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[DCM]
Sentient OverBear
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I just feel that for 10 points, there's really no reason to NOT include an autocannon team. It really adds flexibility to the unit, especially if you're camped in a good spot and don't want to move.
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DQ:70S++G+++M+B++I+Pw40k94+ID+++A++/sWD178R+++T(I)DM+++
Trust me, no matter what damage they have the potential to do, single-shot weapons always flatter to deceive in 40k. Rule #1
- BBAP
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2009/11/22 03:58:53
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Best 10 pts in the codex.
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Fun and Fluff for the Win! |
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2009/11/22 04:11:55
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Fixture of Dakka
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If you are playing a Catachan themed army why not take him?
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2009/11/22 05:24:31
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Average Orc Boy
Kentucky
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I have already decided I'm going to get Harker, Marbo, and Starken, and make me a straight up catachan army, All hail Ram...Marbo!
Plus not to many people run catachan's
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2009/11/22 05:26:15
"They shall be my finest Cannon Fodder, these men who give themselves to me. Like clay I will mold them and in the furnace of war they will become cracked and broken. They will be of tissue paper and whimpy muscle. In tissue paper armor I clad them and with the mightiest flashlights they will be armed. They will be touched by every sort of plauge or disease to help further make them unhappy, all sickness will blight them. They will have almost no tactics, strategies, but lots of machines so that they can atleast stand up to a foe in battle. They are my tar pit against the Terror. They are the bulk of Humanity. They are my Imperial Guard and they will know much fear!"
Imperial Guardmens blight
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2009/11/22 06:49:45
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster
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Now that you posted, I just realised that Marbo's name is Rambo with three first letters turned around!
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Win/Draw/Lost statics
Space Orks: 11/1/1
Space Marines: 10/2/5
Lizardmen: 8/2/3
High Elves: 13/2/2 and one tournament victory!
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2009/11/22 07:02:20
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Average Orc Boy
Kentucky
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Yay! I'm glad I enlightend your mind and I didn't even do that intentionly or even know that they did that Wow I'm good! 
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"They shall be my finest Cannon Fodder, these men who give themselves to me. Like clay I will mold them and in the furnace of war they will become cracked and broken. They will be of tissue paper and whimpy muscle. In tissue paper armor I clad them and with the mightiest flashlights they will be armed. They will be touched by every sort of plauge or disease to help further make them unhappy, all sickness will blight them. They will have almost no tactics, strategies, but lots of machines so that they can atleast stand up to a foe in battle. They are my tar pit against the Terror. They are the bulk of Humanity. They are my Imperial Guard and they will know much fear!"
Imperial Guardmens blight
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2009/11/22 19:56:38
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Fixture of Dakka
Chicago, Illinois
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Who is straken and harker based on again? I thought harker was Jesse Ventura's I dont got time to bleed from Predator. I dunno who Straken is suppose to be.
Maybe the SGT from starship troopers?
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If I lose it is because I had bad luck, if you win it is because you cheated. |
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2009/11/22 21:18:48
Subject: Gunnery Sgt. Harker
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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I rather thought Harker was based on Sgt Harper, who is Richard Sharpe's henchman in the Sharpe novels by Bernard Cornwell.
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