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I haven't bought a single miniature. Yet, I hope. Despite that, I have posted more than a hundred posts on Dakka, read several HR books, and know more about fluff and painting techniques than some regular 40k or WHFB players!

How much can I get involved? How much does my voice or opinions count? How should I continue until I buy my first army (hopefully CSM)?

Please discuss...

You can get as involved as you want! Your opinion will count as much as you want it to be until you mentioned yo unever played :x

Purchasing army? hmm a codex first? then the minimum force organization requirements?

then fill the army up with either what you find aesthetically pleasing to paint& model or tactically pleasing to your list

Thanks. It's just that when I see those who beats who threads with 20+ pages, each dakkaite knowing by heart point values, tactical effectiveness and rules despite simple to them, I'm totally lost! I miss out so much on this superb intriguing game!

If you go to a club most members will welcome you as a new joiner without any figures.

The way things usually work in clubs is that for each period played (Ancients, Napoleonics, WW2, etc) there are some keen members who have the necessary stuff. Other members join in occasional games, possibly owning the rules and/or a small amount of figures, or even nothing.

This allows the club to support a wide range of activity without massive expenditure, and it lets new members try out different genres without having to buy an army.

If you don't choose a period and make an army, eventually you will come to be seen as a free rider. While clubs often (but not always) own terrain in common, the armies and rulebooks usually belong to the individual members.

By paying your club dues you are entitled to access to the commonly owned equipment but not to the use of private armies.

Turbo10k wrote:I haven't bought a single miniature. (snip) and know more about (snip) painting techniques than some regular 40k or WHFB players!

How much does my voice or opinions count?

Edited your post... Now reading that... You never painted a freaking miniature and you know more than people that actually painted armies? Sure! You can say you can parachute by reading a manual, but the actual reality involves practice if you are bold to make such claims... theory is only tiny part of the process and pretty much means, nothing, if you dont practice.
As such your voice on this particular mater doesnt count much sorry.
Its like saying you can ride a bike by looking at manual

NAVARRO wrote:

Turbo10k wrote:I haven't bought a single miniature. (snip) and know more about (snip) painting techniques than some regular 40k or WHFB players!

How much does my voice or opinions count?

Edited your post... Now reading that... You never painted a freaking miniature and you know more than people that actually painted armies? Sure! You can say you can parachute by reading a manual, but the actual reality involves practice if you are bold to make such claims... theory is only tiny part of the process and pretty much means, nothing, if you dont practice.
As such your voice on this particular mater doesnt count much sorry.
Its like saying you can ride a bike by looking at manual

I mean people that keep their minis grey. That torture for the eyes and at the quality of the minis!

Ah ok, I didnt got that from the sentence sorry.

Sure mate you can be more interested and proactive in Painting issues with zero miniatures than people with 10000 unpainted minis.

It's all theory so far.
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Theory only goes so far. Consider sex and swimming. You can talk all you want about the ideas, but until you actually do it, you don't really know what you're talking about.

At some point, you ought to jump into the pool.

JohnHwangDD wrote:It's all theory so far.
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Theory only goes so far. Consider sex and swimming. You can talk all you want about the ideas, but until you actually do it, you don't really know what you're talking about.

At some point, you ought to jump into the pool.

I'm 16. Without a girlfriend in sight. Forget sex for the moment. For all I know, no theory on THAT yet ...swimming came to me as easily as painting some miniatures a kind player lent me at workshop. I told her I hadn't ever done any before (it was a Smurf, by the way), but she said if I did any blatant mistakes, she'd just wash it and restart. After 30 minutes I had a nice coat of blue paint (forgot its name, it is the kind you see on the box cover) over my preliminary wash, and had done some decent details in white with a thin brush.

I guess I was doing okay cos some other guy had done a thick, rushed blue, then washed over with whiter to make it look lighter, then screwed up worse when he tried to rub out the blotchy red he he did on the tiny eyepieces of the poor Marine ....Ouch

Remember to wear this type:

And why havnt you obtained anymodels yet? I relize this can be an expinsive hobby but your missing out on a huge part of the fun by not playing or even putting models together. If you were in my area and could come up with hundred bucks you could own your very own Land Raider, 10x SM, Chapter Master and 5x Terminators. All painted in dark angels colors

Honestly it depends on how agile your hands are and how fast you can run.

LunaHound wrote:
Remember to wear this type:

That's not so helpful during sex.

At least, most of the time...

You can play Battletech, a long established war game, using mapsheets provided and other map set purchases, and never buy a single mini. Minis are completely NOT required for it.

I think that is a major bonus for the game for those on a budget.

If you can find a gaming group, you'll probably find someone willing to let you control a squad or at least roll some dice.

To be honest I'm in the same boat (War-gaming boat...). I Used to play and paint years ago but have recently just swotted up on fluff, rules, painting techniques etc (although I have a few figures painted now). I've always been interested in geeky things (stargate, WoW and RPG's etc) like Warhammer so I'm always reading stuff on it even if I'm not 'really' involved. I read article after article on the net till i finally purchased my first paints and mini.

I've now bought a AoBR box set to re-learn how to play (although i know they use 'baby' rules in AoBR) before I even walk into a GW/LGS. I've also changed my mind on what army I want to collect, even what platform to play (40k/WFB) many, many times.


But, like as someone already said, "You can only take it so far before you purchase/paint a model".



Slappy

IMHO I say lurking and giving opinions are okay, but giving opinions on lists and painting techniques are not appropriate for someone who hasn't tried and tested many options first.

I haven't played a lot against eldar and have not played them, same with Dark Eldar, so I stay far away from posts asking for help on them.

You're kinda hurting people by giving untested advice on lists etc.

Now, you can always learn yourself and link people to reputable things like guides that you think are helpful and like I said, give opinions on things.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Remember to wear this type:

That's not so helpful during sex.

At least, most of the time...

Obviously you haven't been doing it right.

Eh, it's been working out OK for me - can't complain.

Roleplayer wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Remember to wear this type:

That's not so helpful during sex.

At least, most of the time...

Obviously you haven't been doing it right.

I'll...err...pass on that one, kay? Leave it to nature now, won't we, and learn it the hard way ! *d'oh!*

EzeKK wrote:IMHO I say lurking and giving opinions are okay, but giving opinions on lists and painting techniques are not appropriate for someone who hasn't tried and tested many options first.

I haven't played a lot against eldar and have not played them, same with Dark Eldar, so I stay far away from posts asking for help on them.

You're kinda hurting people by giving untested advice on lists etc.

Now, you can always learn yourself and link people to reputable things like guides that you think are helpful and like I said, give opinions on things.

I don't give advice on subjects I have no idea about. I'm totally lost on those 'what unit beats what' chain forums, and I say it. I just reserve myself advice when someone is doing say a conversion or newer than me to 40k.

iamthecougar wrote:Honestly it depends on how agile your hands are and how fast you can run.

Say that to a GW redshirt and you'll find that your FLGS is gonna double the prices on ya!

Slappywag wrote:To be honest I'm in the same boat (War-gaming boat...). I Used to play and paint years ago but have recently just swotted up on fluff, rules, painting techniques etc (although I have a few figures painted now). I've always been interested in geeky things (stargate, WoW and RPG's etc) like Warhammer so I'm always reading stuff on it even if I'm not 'really' involved. I read article after article on the net till i finally purchased my first paints and mini.

I've now bought a AoBR box set to re-learn how to play (although i know they use 'baby' rules in AoBR) before I even walk into a GW/LGS. I've also changed my mind on what army I want to collect, even what platform to play (40k/WFB) many, many times.


But, like as someone already said, "You can only take it so far before you purchase/paint a model".



Slappy

Yeah, I realised that, so, as I said on another thread, I'm starting anyway, however small (ie 500 points CSM) and persevere through the chain (ie getting elites, more Landraiders and Vindicator)...PS: Stargate?! I understand WoW, but there, that real geeky!

Kilkrazy wrote:If you go to a club most members will welcome you as a new joiner without any figures.

The way things usually work in clubs is that for each period played (Ancients, Napoleonics, WW2, etc) there are some keen members who have the necessary stuff. Other members join in occasional games, possibly owning the rules and/or a small amount of figures, or even nothing.

This allows the club to support a wide range of activity without massive expenditure, and it lets new members try out different genres without having to buy an army.

If you don't choose a period and make an army, eventually you will come to be seen as a free rider. While clubs often (but not always) own terrain in common, the armies and rulebooks usually belong to the individual members.

By paying your club dues you are entitled to access to the commonly owned equipment but not to the use of private armies.

Just a 'ditto' on that.

All it takes is a squad.

You start with a squad, learn the ropes, then add another.

Then another unit type.

Then add a vehicle or two.

Then soon, you will have some leftovers from the boxes will have some extra parts, so you add a character.

500 points. a 100 point block at a time, perhaps?


As for all of the other stuff. Its truly not important. Post counts only count when the threds are worth reading.

LOLZ, or 1337 stuff really doesn't count. and having an opinion is just that, a couple of guys talking.

As for you not playing a game, pfft. Go get a small little something and go to work.

Now they have that RPG, you can really go for it with both barrels.

I have loads of stuff, it didn't take long, either.

Necromunda- free online. get a couple of guys and have some fun.

Gorkamorka- free online. get a couple of Orks and get stuck in with a squad box. ( I rehashed this gme with one of those old boxes with all those guys and painted half red and plack, the other half black and yellow, and got a couple of buggies. Had a fun time with that stuff, especially after I dug out the old fort the scraps, and the other stuff I have around here someplace.

Mordhiem/ Empire in Flames- A couple of guys and you have yourself a warband.

You can do the same with SPace Marines, Eldar, Nids, etc.

2 leads to 10, 10 leads to 20 20 leads to 200 rather quickly after a few trys.

Not to mention all of the other games out there.

I am now getting stuck in with about four or five other games while I have my little GW hiatus.

Superheros, WW2, getting back into some jacks, after they've been clogging up my desk for over 5 years.

I even got into some RPG stuff, for some fluff.

Like Jessica rabbit said, I'm not bad, I just roll that way.

You just need to drop about twenty bucks, and your on your way.

Seriously, you see these tools run out and drop 1,000.00 and come to the table with about half of it built, and then to be a tard, they put a dot or two of paint on to be clever.
You just have to ask sometimes....

Taking your time, enjoying the aspects of the hobby that YOU like... That is what its really about.

Paint a couple of guys with some pals over some of your favorite beverage while you talk about the rourkes drift game that you had going on last week, Or you can talk about how Nigel was the last guardsman standing and how his lucky lasgun shot the head off of the ork warboss thats the stuff of good times, bro.
Just coming to the table with an empty plate, and you go away hungry.

Just one fix....

I don't know...

Playing the game and Theoryhammer are two different things, IMHO.

As for conversions and painting, IMHO it only goes so far. I read plenty of tutorials when painting my first mini's, but they still turned out pretty poor, IMHO.

I can read about Enginnering, but I'm not an Engineer unless I actually do some hands on engineering.

KAY KAY! I got the point guys. At least I'm not an easy-going local game store leech guy (as some of me describe me as). It's more of a general question than specifically for me. Reading about fluff is great, it's just I have to stall my first mini until I have enough money to buy my $178 NZ army box. And I love painting. Grey are torture for the eyes!

PS: Chit chat all you want, I like having a popular thread (or on the way to being popular, or whatever!)

Whoa Whoa.

It's good.

I simply answered the question in your post. If you didn't want it answered, don't post it.

That aside, which army are you starting?

Chaos Space Mawheens!

They chop at everything, their troops are best in the game and are a blast to paint with all the miniature details available to highlight. Plus, they got decent vehicules, unlike Necrons which don't have a single wheel (ps my first choice) !

Ah, good luck then!

P.S. I'd love to see you post up a P&M blog on 'em. Watching armies progress is fun!

Seeing as you get the point. I just erased what I said. Just now ask advice rather than dish it out, as I am sure, some things unexpected will turn up as you paint. Have fun, modelling and painting is my favorite part of the whole hobby.

You sound like you are/were in my situation. I've been on this forum for months yet haven't got anywhere on the army, mainly due to costs. I knew Elysians would be expensive, but at least Christmas is coming. It might jumpstart your army. (Mine too! All I have done is picked a color scheme and semi-planned a list)

Deep down 40k is about the setting, from Dawn of War to Black Library.

Osyr wrote:You sound like you are/were in my situation. I've been on this forum for months yet haven't got anywhere on the army, mainly due to costs. I knew Elysians would be expensive, but at least Christmas is coming. It might jumpstart your army. (Mine too! All I have done is picked a color scheme and semi-planned a list)

Deep down 40k is about the setting, from Dawn of War to Black Library.

Yeah!