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I was told by some friends that the Nightbringer is being made into to an Apocalypse only model. Is this true?

I would be happy if it was

It's a rumour circulating that the C'tan are being moved to Apoc to make way for new types of Lords.

Supposedly the Lords will be able to turn into mini c'tan, which will be similar to what we have now rules wise. The REAL C'tan will be forgeworld, apocalypse only models. At least that is the rumor.

I think that would be a cool adjustment.
I feel C'tan are too powerful/expensive for use in most regular games. Yet i also feel they are not strong enough, in accordance with the fluff. If they were beefed up to 500 point podels and got better stats that would suite me just fine

That was a rumour from a while back, but later confirmed to be a hoax --- it circulated *before* Games Workshop started work on the Necrons! At the moment, we have not heard anything either way, and it is most likely that the codex is not far enough along for The Nightbringer's presence, or lack thereof, to be finalised.

From what I've heard, the codex will be getting credit card Lords (Bronze, Silver, Gold and maybe Platinum), as found in the Apocalypse book.

I cant confirm it but I dont think this will be to bad for necron players as long as there is a new type of lord instead (necrons need more variety). I think it'll be a good change for us all, it's jolly annoying when it charges something that cant wound it.

Nightbringers are way to powerful for a freindly game!

But the Deceiver is juuuuuust right.

That was a rumour from a while back, but later confirmed to be a hoax --- it circulated *before* Games Workshop started work on the Necrons! At the moment, we have not heard anything either way, and it is most likely that the codex is not far enough along for The Nightbringer's presence, or lack thereof, to be finalised.

Yes, but if you look in the 5th ed rulebook summary sheets notice that the C'tan are not included

Yes all is good now!

False rumor or not, use of lesser "aspects" of the C'tan is not a bad idea at all. I hope that not only do we see full-strength C'Tan for Apoc (imagine Nightbringer vs. a Warlord Titan!), but perhaps it would start a trend of new "epic" Apoc models for other armies to match the C'tan and the FW greater daemons.

If they end up doing "apocalypse level" C'tan rules, I'd love to see them do the same thing for Daemon princes, to have monsters like Cherubael vs the Titan in Eisenhorn

deitpike wrote:If they end up doing "apocalypse level" C'tan rules, I'd love to see them do the same thing for Daemon princes, to have monsters like Cherubael vs the Titan in Eisenhorn

I think Chaos having 4 Gargantuan Creature level Daemon Lords is enough.

I really hope they don't.

But that remains to be seen.

Heh.

Necrons are a crappy army and everyone is having kneejerk reactions as if it was suddenly 3rd edition about the necrons few decent units.


"Oh noes not a C'Tan! *shoots at the warrior squad and forces phase out* However will I manage to beat them?"

Hilarious.

Kemen'tep wrote:Yes, but if you look in the 5th ed rulebook summary sheets notice that the C'tan are not included

This is because they are Special Characters. I don't see Eldrad or Yriel under Eldar or Calgar under Space Marines either, so that's not really evidence of anything.

It's a bit odd having these god-like characters in normal games. They are powerful admittedly, but they are also a bit wimpish when you look at their fluff. The ones in the normal game could be weakened projections of the proper C'tan. Even the full C'tan seem a bit powerful for an Apocalypse game, I mean you don't see the Chaos lords themselves coming out to fight do you?

I have always been of the opinion that even though the C'tan were powerful in the game, they were still only a mere shadow of what they truely should be. Moving them to Apoc would make them be able to be closer to the true star gods they are.

Gavin Thorne wrote:

Kemen'tep wrote:Yes, but if you look in the 5th ed rulebook summary sheets notice that the C'tan are not included

This is because they are Special Characters. I don't see Eldrad or Yriel under Eldar or Calgar under Space Marines either, so that's not really evidence of anything.

No, it is because the summary was a confirmed April Fools joke. I cannot believe people still believe it!

I always found it odd that wraiths had a better save than a supposed god.

If you take into account the disadvantages that the Necrons have then the Nightbringer is not too powerful. People may say that but if you're running Wolves with power weapons and storm shields or Lonewolves then that is a terrible threat that only the C'tan or a squad of Pariah can handle.

Howard A Treesong wrote:It's a bit odd having these god-like characters in normal games. They are powerful admittedly, but they are also a bit wimpish when you look at their fluff. The ones in the normal game could be weakened projections of the proper C'tan. Even the full C'tan seem a bit powerful for an Apocalypse game, I mean you don't see the Chaos lords themselves coming out to fight do you?

but you do see chaos lords themselves get involved in fights all the time.


Do you mean chaos gods? If so, then that's because none of the chaos gods have a physical representation. They are ideas and swirling masses of emotions, not actual beings. The C'tan, on the other hand, are actual physical entities capable of powerfully manipulating reality without regard of what anyone believes they can or cannot do. At least fluffwise, the C'tan have personally intervened in their wars a great number of times. It is in no way out of character for a C'tan to consume a star, or slaughter a powerful champion, or tear a tank in half.

Platuan4th wrote:

deitpike wrote:If they end up doing "apocalypse level" C'tan rules, I'd love to see them do the same thing for Daemon princes, to have monsters like Cherubael vs the Titan in Eisenhorn

I think Chaos having 4 Gargantuan Creature level Daemon Lords is enough.

my bad
I meant Daemonhosts, for daemonhunter armies!

AoD wrote: At least fluffwise, the C'tan have personally intervened in their wars a great number of times..

And for good reason. Besides the faint independence that necron lords 'enjoy', the C'tan are the true generals of a necron army.

Necron lords are merely peons who do their respective C'tans bidding in lieu of the C'tans presence on the battlefield.

Until the necron codex is updated, people who piss and moan about C'tan should really learn the true weakness of a necron army and that is phase out.

That, and simply learning how to play better.

Valkyrie wrote:It's a rumour circulating that the C'tan are being moved to Apoc to make way for new types of Lords.

...thats what they say...

I can confirm that this rumor does have some teeth to it.

I heard first-hand from someone deep in the design studio that there was a good chance that the C'Tan would be taken out of the next codex and made into Apocalypse units instead. The reasoning behind this had *nothing* to do with how they played, but rather more of from an overall army perspective...apparently C'Tan would only ever be bothered to show up to a battle that was Apocalypse-sized.

Now, I do need to point out that this WAS over two years ago, and in that time we all know that they could have totally reversed that idea, but I do feel I should stand up and say that the rumor at least has some basis in reality.

I heard that in the new codex you would get to take 1-3 C'tan as a single heavy support choice.

ShumaGorath wrote:I heard that in the new codex you would get to take 1-3 C'tan as a single heavy support choice.

You suck at trolling these days.