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There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

I'm not sexist or anything but I dont really get it either, Im happy either way personally but I'm not gonna make a fuss about it...

You can however get female guardians for the Eldar as one of the torso's definately has the boobies!

Seriously, have you ever seen anyone want female necron?! that's a joke right...

no people really do want female necrons...no joke shakes his head

Reading this im inclined to want to see female necrons, call it a morbid fasination at what they would look like.

As a Guard player, I'd like female units because according to the fluff, entire populations are conscripted.

As of now, all Guard players have to play male-only armies (except the occasional player with a token female sniper/grenade launcher/commissar). It's like everyone is in charge of a sexist men-only division.

Seriously, I don't think it would be too hard for GW to include 2-5 female heads/torsos in a kit of 10 Guardsmen.

Aren't Necrons female?

They are always being remade, or 'made up'.

They like playing dress up, but can never settle on what to wear- flayed ones.

They worship a man-o-lith.

I've never heard of any man able to get back up that many times.

(This is of course, completely sarcastic and silly. Necrons, like most things based off of the Governator, are awesome.)

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

I bet it is because they want to paint boobs.

you guys are to much theres a guy who I played who has an all female guard army everything is female but he got the models from somewhere else. Im just saying I think its weird and annoying when people complain they want females for every army. Im just saying if you want that maybe this game isnt for you...

I've actually been thinking about this quite a bit lately. I think GW is really missing the boat by not having more female models.

Now hear me out if you disagree.

Geekdom has spread beyond just males. Thanks to mainstreaming of video game consoles and mmorpgs. My wife is a gamer wife. Yes I know I'm very luck. I know many other females who participate in geeky hobbies be they rpgs, video games, larp etc. In my humble opinion it's a marketing shortfall that they don't have more female models. Having more would potentially attract more female players as well as selling to current or potential future male players.

Now I'm not suggesting that they make a bunch of new all female armies like Sisters of Battle. They could stand to smatter in a few females here and there though. A female torso and a couple heads, for instance, on a Imperial Guard sprue would be an awesome addition. Where I think it is more important to have females is in character models as most 40k generals see themselves as their army commander. Witch Hunters is the only line where this exits. A female colonel, commissar, farseer, etc would all be awesome additions to the model range.

I agree with the people who boggle at female necrons because it seems silly to me as well. On the other hand a female C'tan could be cool.

Anyway, I enjoy this hobby and as such I want to see it grow. I think the female market, while admittedly much smaller than the male, is totally untapped. By doing some very minor additions to the current model ranges GW could potentially draw in new customers as well as sell it's regular customers some great new minis.

Oh and first post.

In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

I'll admit that in 40k imperial guard soldiers or eldar guardians could indeed be female, and the modles don't back this up as much as they could.

Though, the female necron idea is just silly, I mean, it's a robot! How do you give a robot a gender?!

The Necrontyr originally would have had male and female, but less that it is a robot, and more that it is a fricking skeleton!! The female ones would probably have slightly wider hips, and that is the only difference!

Why would they have wider hips? They don't give birth any more.


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Anyways, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau, Inquisitorial Forces, and Imperial Guard should be of mixed sex. Sisters of Battle should be all female. Space Marines, Chaos Marines, and Gray Knights should be all male. Orks, Tyranids, and Necrons don't have sexes (in the tradional sense anyways).

starbomber109 wrote:In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

Lower average fitness standard.

There's also the easy get out clause when they find out they're going to be deployed and don't want to go (get pregnant). This is a problem generally as you don't want to invest in someone's training and then lose a big chunk of their service time (many people only do three years) to pregnancy.

Scott-S6 wrote:

starbomber109 wrote:In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

Lower average fitness standard.

There's also the easy get out clause when they find out they're going to be deployed and don't want to go (get pregnant). This is a problem generally as you don't want to invest in someone's training and then lose a big chunk of their service time (many people only do three years) to pregnancy.

I'm not sure if that is quite it. It mostly boils down to two main reasons:

1) Lower muscle strength and endurance both on average and by potential.

2) In the Russian military they do not allow women in the front lines due to the psychological effects on others around them. Apparently they identified a recurring issue where men were less likely to leave a fallen woman behind as opposed to a man in order to carry on with their mission.

None of these have any bearing on a woman's ability to be as mentally tough, etc. so don't misquote me on it. However, given ample resources, you will be able to make more stringent cut-offs (fun fact, the Chinese military doesn't recruit individuals that snore, for instance).

starbomber109 wrote:In most real life militaries though, females are not permitted on the front lines. (IE: there are no riflewomen) there are a bunch of reasons....that I can't remember right now.

There are no scientific reasons why women can't fight on the front line! This has been proven in conflicts like WWII and Vietnam....the only reason women don't fight on the front line is because of "social standards".....thats it!

Talk about fitness, pregnacy, period problems.....sure these are factors, but they're not "limiting" factors. Trust me, if there was an invasion from another planet, everyone with 8 fingers and two thumbs would be, encouraged, to pick up a rifle and fight...

Back on topic. I tend to agree with the OP to an extent, but I can also understand the desire for females figure in a, predominantly, male orientated game....its about fantasy, and alot of men, have fantasies about strong, powerful women....right now, thats missing in certain mainstream table top wargames.....

Sure its about sex, there I said it, but why should that be something to be "ashamed" of, I mean, sexual desire is no more seedy than the emotion of hate, destruction, greed or fear, and all of these human factors are given more than enough "air time" in this hobby.

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

Because boobs are like bacon. Everything it gets added to automatically becomes 69% more appealing to men.

Honestly? You had to do the 69% thing? Thats just immature, lol.

But who isn't?

Boobs, kids, etc.

Fearspect wrote:I'm not sure if that is quite it. It mostly boils down to two main reasons:

1) Lower muscle strength and endurance both on average and by potential.

2) In the Russian military they do not allow women in the front lines due to the psychological effects on others around them. Apparently they identified a recurring issue where men were less likely to leave a fallen woman behind as opposed to a man in order to carry on with their mission.

None of these have any bearing on a woman's ability to be as mentally tough, etc. so don't misquote me on it. However, given ample resources, you will be able to make more stringent cut-offs (fun fact, the Chinese military doesn't recruit individuals that snore, for instance).

It goes down to a more psicological thing regarding males. The israeli army had women in the front and this happened a lot of times:

- Male injured: someone went to pick him up.
- Female injured: all males rushed to the rescue, the enemy gunned more down.

So, it doesn't actually goes for women not being physically fit (with the proper training they can be up to the job) but with the male protective instincts.

Imperial Guard: Women are normal in the IG and other branches of Imperial forces
Space Marines: Completely impossible. No.
Eldar: Eldar women fight as often as their men.
Necrons. They are SPACE SKELETONS. They have no gender. People who want female necrons have issues.

I have a desire for females in my army, so I'm collecting an Escher gang.

I think WHFB has a more reasonable representation of women. Because it's like the medieval era, human women are generally the ones who stay behind at home and look after their family's affairs while their husbands go out seeking glory. This is different in the case of the High/Wood/Dark Elves, who have women in their militaries. The Dark Elf sprue has a fair few torsos with breasts and you can't tell the difference between the genders of the heads, because they're wearing helmets (and they're Elves too, so it's even harder to tell).

Eldar: I assumed the majority of them were females. Just look at the models!

Tau: Shadowsun. That's about it. But then again, they could be female underneath them helmets and crisis suits...you just don't know.

IG: Definitely should get some females in there. Ciaphas Cain novel, the women are more ruthless than the men! There's that one part where they have the male IG vs the female IG and she's giving that guy a butt-whuppin...

Necron: No.

SM: No.

Ork: No. (except for Blood Bowl).

Dark Eldar: They got em.

Chaos/Tyranids: Not applicable.



Argument solved.

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

It bothers me that anyone else would care enough to argue with what these people want to have for their fluff. Nerdrage is a vicious mistress on these threads.

I don't understand it myself. At least, not the people that ask "I know the fluff says it isn't possible, but can I has Fem-marines?"

No. Fluff says it isn't possible, so no. No Fem-Marines by conventional definition.

From a modelling standpoint (ie "I'm just doing this army for fun - not fluff.") hey - if you feel the urge to sculpt T&A on your Space Marines or Necrons, I won't judge. Not out loud at least.

I think Female IG are a must-have though. GW needs to invest in some Female torsos and heads for the Cadian sprues (And I say Cadians because female Catachan would be scary as Fk)

That's really all I can think of. All the other races that actually have a discernable gender HAVE female minis as it is. I'm going to put the lust for Fem-Marines up to raging hormone levels in teenage boys, or overzealous feminists with the classic "40K is sexist because there aren't enough female units!" complaint.

Remember the once feared Callidus ASsassin...
A woman who would phase sword your HQ to death...Yikes

Besides, If there were female models no one would stop playing to talk to real women

lordbug wrote:There is always one thread that pops up and the person wants female space marines /female necrons/and so on.

whys is this?
If you want females pick sisters there you go problem solved.
does this bother anyone else?

This does not bother me. I think there are many reasons to want either female units or an all female army, ranging from the desire to have a uniquely themed force to wanting to paint/model different faces to actually being female. I had an ex gf that wanted to get into the game, and didn't like the look of sisters. She went with the old daemonettes, which she found more appealing.

Now, what does bother me is the attitude expressed in this post. Now, I get that female marines are anathema to the fluff, but the knee jerk "if you want to play females play sisters" bugs me. Sisters have a very focused playing style, and it's likely that many people don't want to play it, and don't want to constrained to a single play style simply because they like the idea of warrior women.

I personally dont see where the problem comes from. If someone wants Necrons with boobs, or Space Marines with boobs, or Tyranids with boobs, how does this effect everyone else? As long as the person Im playing against, can play, then I dont care how many boobs there are, Im going to kill them.

Dark wrote:

Fearspect wrote:I'm not sure if that is quite it. It mostly boils down to two main reasons:

1) Lower muscle strength and endurance both on average and by potential.

2) In the Russian military they do not allow women in the front lines due to the psychological effects on others around them. Apparently they identified a recurring issue where men were less likely to leave a fallen woman behind as opposed to a man in order to carry on with their mission.

None of these have any bearing on a woman's ability to be as mentally tough, etc. so don't misquote me on it. However, given ample resources, you will be able to make more stringent cut-offs (fun fact, the Chinese military doesn't recruit individuals that snore, for instance).

It goes down to a more psicological thing regarding males. The israeli army had women in the front and this happened a lot of times:

- Male injured: someone went to pick him up.
- Female injured: all males rushed to the rescue, the enemy gunned more down.

So, it doesn't actually goes for women not being physically fit (with the proper training they can be up to the job) but with the male protective instincts.

Dark, you've pretty muched nailed it on the head. Coming from the military myself, I can tell you its very true, that natural instinct to protect them is one that's very hard to break. As it stands right now the closest a female soldier can get to front line duty, is as an MP or a Pilot. Other than that, they're not in Infantry platoons on the front lines. It's a major distraction and an unfocsed soldier is a dead soldier. Not something I want for my Space Marines.

Cheers!

Variety.

To have smooth curved armor without the need to field Eldar.
Its one reason why some people refuse to play Eldar

I'll never understand why people think that because it would be difficult (but certainly not impossible) to have women fighting in front line combat in the Modern United States it would be in any way a problem in a fictional universe 38,000 years ago.

Keep in mind that women have fought in wars around the globe from time eternal, although admittedly more in singular cases or total war scenarios, but the argument that women can't fight effectively in combat fails simply because it's been repeatedly demonstrated that they can.

Additionally, 40k takes place in a universe where humans have literally evolved into Hobbits and Ogres on some planets. To think that modern social mores and sexual dimorphism would remain iron clad is a bit silly.