Why is it that at least one person wants females in there army???

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**deffskullz**

oi im fine with it as long as it's not a HAHA look i took Sport's illustrated swim suit thing and made each one a space marine!!!!!!!! but i would never do it because i would never here the end of spending hours alone in my room painting plastic women

**binky**

deffskullz wrote:oi im fine with it as long as it's not a HAHA look i took Sport's illustrated swim suit thing and made each one a space marine!!!!!!!! but i would never do it because i would never here the end of spending hours alone in my room painting plastic women

And yet painting little plastic men for hours alone somehow spares you from having to defend your sexuality

**Hawkins**

It all comes down to preferance. if someone want to do it, then they will. Me, i dont care one way or another, KilKrazy put up a pic of a female Necron and im satisfied now.

Paint what you like, FEITCTAJ.

**Black Blow Fly**

I read a survey that said people that don't answer a question have something to hide. That makes sense to me. I am okay with that. Truly.

Anyways there is no reason why a woman could not be the best warrior. Celtic womens fought naked versus Roman Legionnaires and slayed them. It is not always an easy task to tame the shrew. One day there will be a woman that tames the world and the world as a whole will be better for it. Women tend to be more understanding and they are not by any means the weaker sex. Women can wreck your life if you let them.

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**Eidolon**

I dont understand it. I think its people who have a fascination with women and have to project that into the game. Look at the only all female army in the game, its an absolute trainwreck rules and fluff wise.

**Orkeosaurus**

How so? Considering their age I don't know that their rules are particularly bad. I'd say they've held up better than Daemonhunters, Dark Eldar, Tau, Necrons, or Tyranids.

Their fluff would be better if they were separated from the Ordo Hereticus a little more. They're not an inquisitorial army, they're first and foremost the military arm of the Ecclesiarchy.

**Emperors Faithful**

Actually, it states that they are both a military arm of the Ecclesiarchy AND the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus. The Inquisition uses them first and foremost on heretical covens.

Also, the Ecclesiarchy constantly needs Inquisitorial approval to do much, such as declaring Wars of Faith etc. If the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy came into direct conflict then, by-the-letter, the Sisters would be obliged to follow the order of the inquisition. Whether all of them would be so eager to do so is another matter...

**Kilkrazy**

A fa/tg/uy never wrote:

Women are Underpowered in 40K

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Man" bs that's going on in the 40K system right now. Women deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine woman in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with her for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with her teeth.

Japanese parents spend years working on a single woman and send her to school and training dojos up to a million times to produce the finest gender known to mankind.

Women are thrice as sharp as men and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a man can cut through, a woman can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a woman could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple cutting remark.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering the Amazon? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Amazon people and their women of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the women first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Women are simply the best gender that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the 40K system. Here is the stat line I propose for Women:

BS: 4, WS: 4, I: 3, A: 2, Ld: 10, W: 2

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Women in real life, don't you think?

**The Acolyte**

Gamesworkshop could add some female models or female upgrade packs like black templars upgrade packs. This could give some modelers a bit more variety and would mean it was compatible with all the other existing sprues.

**Persephone 66**

If it fits in the fluff and you are up for doing the conversions, I don't see the problem.

Though it would be nice for GW to save us the conversion work.

**glory**

Good one, Killcrazy.

All you observations are completely true. Just like the fact that American women are far more accurate at longer ranges than Russian ones, though they break easily under difficult conditions.
That's why most of the world prefer the simpler and more rugged Russian women.

**Orkeosaurus**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, it states that they are both a military arm of the Ecclesiarchy AND the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus. The Inquisition uses them first and foremost on heretical covens.

Also, the Ecclesiarchy constantly needs Inquisitorial approval to do much, such as declaring Wars of Faith etc. If the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy came into direct conflict then, by-the-letter, the Sisters would be obliged to follow the order of the inquisition. Whether all of them would be so eager to do so is another matter...

That's no different from any other army in the Imperium.

The Inquisition uses whatever they find most useful; they're only the militant wing of the Ordo Hereticus in the sense that the Ordo Hereticus likes to use them, and they have a history of working together. They're not actually a part of the Inquisition.

**CadianXV**

IIRC, Games Workshop used to make female Cadians- you might be able to find them on Ebay.

I'd imagine the reason they don't have more options for females in any army is simply to do with the cost. Creating 4-5 female models per squad would require a lot more sculpting to start with, then a more expensive mould. It makes more sense to mould 10 similar models than 5.

Still, with s a little conversion work it really wouldn't be all that difficult to convert effective models; the hardest part would be the face, especially when helmeted.

**despoiler52**

HAHAHA female orks. Also why is this a problem? If you don't want to make them, don't.

**Orkeosaurus**

**metallifan**

CadianXV wrote:IIRC, Games Workshop used to make female Cadians- you might be able to find them on Ebay.

Yes they did, and yes you can. But they cost upwards of $100 for the sprues and $50 for the built figs

**Emperors Faithful**

Orkeosaurus wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, it states that they are both a military arm of the Ecclesiarchy AND the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus. The Inquisition uses them first and foremost on heretical covens.

Also, the Ecclesiarchy constantly needs Inquisitorial approval to do much, such as declaring Wars of Faith etc. If the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy came into direct conflict then, by-the-letter, the Sisters would be obliged to follow the order of the inquisition. Whether all of them would be so eager to do so is another matter...
That's no different from any other army in the Imperium.

The Inquisition uses whatever they find most useful; they're only the militant wing of the Ordo Hereticus in the sense that the Ordo Hereticus likes to use them, and they have a history of working together. They're not actually a part of the Inquisition.

Technically, they are. They are regarded as the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus, as laid down by Sebastian Thor. They are as much part of the Inquisition as your average Inquisitorial Storm Trooper.

**don_mondo**

I've seen a couple of all-female IG armies over the years. Based on Escher Necromunda models with a mix of the older female IG models (half a dozen or more).

**Orkeosaurus**

Emperors Faithful wrote:Technically, they are. They are regarded as the militant wing of the Ordo Herectus, as laid down by Sebastian Thor. They are as much part of the Inquisition as your average Inquisitorial Storm Trooper.

What? Sisters of Battle aren't part of Ordo Hereticus. Grey Knights aren't even part of Ordo Malleus.

**Captain Solon**

Guys! guys! You've it all wrong.

There are female necrons.

What do you think the Scarabs are?

Jks.

But seriously, all the women are at home doing the weapon making

**Tyyr**

I'm starting to realize just how weird and wrong it is to use female models. I mean, first off if you use female models you're obviously either gay or want to be a woman, probably both. Secondly there are no women in WH40K. Period. End of story. There's nothing but men. Big manly men with bulging muslces and firm physiques and glistening loins with their shirts ripped ope... uh... yeah. And all those supposed women some people talk about? Those are men too, they're just not tough enough to match up with the real MEN so they're just called women because that's how sissy they are. Don't worry though, nothing but penis in WH40K. Anyone bringing women to the table is obviously a freak since all those "females" must really have penises and they're just bringing cross dressers to the game. I mean really, would you want to play the game against someone fielding an army of transvestites?

Freaks.

[/sarcasm]

**phillosmaster**

There is alot of knee jerk reactions and hyperbole in this thread. I think it’s unfair to assume people asking these questions are either perverts or feminists.

My sister in law expressed interest in joining the GW hobby, but was very disappointed at how poorly represented women were in the model line. Besides the odd character model, there isn’t really much in the way of female models. People usually point out SoB, but how often do you see those on the shelf. It’s a bit intimidating for a beginner to buy a mostly metal/direct order 40k army. I don’t think it’s unreasonable in some armies where it’s supported by the fluff(tau, guard, elder) to boost up the amount of available female bitz in their troop choices. It would have certainly helped in this situation. More variety means more expensive sprues, but it would also be more inviting for a woman gamer, whose fantasy of the future might not be using all male Cadians for her army. A beginner isn’t going to go crazy converting things or buying up expensive Necromunda model boxes.

The Eldar are probably the best army as far as gender diversity currently, but the majority of the units are still male models only. A noticeably female Farseer would have probably helped push her over, which isn’t an unreasonable thing to produce(especially if the Dawn of War series is any indication).

**tigonesskay**

Why don't GM just make some female sprues For those who want to make an all female IG army? I read some fluff explaining female IG units in one of the Ciaphas cain books when an all male and all female valhallan
unit had to made into one unit. It's far better than "green stuff" certain parts of the models to customize them...

**Orkeosaurus**

Given Cadian body armor, why don't they just add some extra heads?

**metallifan**

tigonesskay wrote:Why don't GM just make some female sprues For those who want to make an all female IG army? I read some fluff explaining female IG units in one of the Ciaphas cain books when an all male and all female valhallan
unit had to made into one unit. It's far better than "green stuff" certain parts of the models to customize them...

General Motors makes GW bitz now? Man, I work for GM and it's news to me

But yea, it really wouldn't be much cash out of GW's pocket to add a sprue with a few female heads and torsos. Even as bitz-order only, it wouldn't matter. I'm just getting tired of painting the same Cadian heads over and over. Some female heads with and w/o helmets would do well to break things up some.

**Persephone 66**

Tyyr wrote: I mean really, would you want to play the game against someone fielding an army of transvestites?

Freaks.

[/sarcasm]

Isn't that the Dark Angels?

**Black Blow Fly**

Wow just wow.

**tigonesskay**

metallifan wrote:

General Motors makes GW bitz now? Man, I work for GM and it's news to me

My mistake my typing finger had a stutter

If General Motors did make GW bitz they'll have a major recall months later....

**Tyyr**

metallifan wrote:But yea, it really wouldn't be much cash out of GW's pocket to add a sprue with a few female heads and torsos. Even as bitz-order only, it wouldn't matter. I'm just getting tired of painting the same Cadian heads over and over. Some female heads with and w/o helmets would do well to break things up some.

It'd be money in their pockets as I'd start an IG army tomorrow.

**phillosmaster**

I think the main reason you always hear the female space marine question is because the space marines are the default beginner army. It's the one everyone thinks of first when they think 40k. Therefore I think it's a reasonable reaction for beginner players to be confused and disappointed when they find out that that army is gender locked by the fluff. It basically says "sorry newbie, if you want to field any females in your army you can't come to this party. Go buy a harder or more expensive army."

I personally think it's silly that Space Marines are only male in the 40k fluff. Read Old Man's War by John Scalzi. He basically uses the same future super soldier concept, and does it with men and women with perfectly reasonable results(and its a great book,which I recommend to everyone here). I'm not sure why some people gets so pissed off over this topic.