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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/28 05:42:10
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Rogue Wolves wrote:your models looking great man and i like where your going with this base
Thank you, RW!
Viktor von Domm wrote:was a pleasure^^ and a rapid response medal and eagle eyes mentioning in the same post is quite the gratification^^ you sure know how to keep your followers on your trail^^
as for the hilt... i have used just off white or even dheneb stone as a base and then spilled^^ much devlan mud above to get a nice nutshell looking wooden effect... maybe you should try that here too... splash it over the white and see what comes out...
And just so you know, those awards are more presigious than internet cookies  Your CC has never been wrong before, I think I'll try this one out as well
Eziekiel wrote:ohhh ... sory bout that rawson :S still bit new to this !, the valkryie base looks awesome, if ur looking for a good way to base it, making a paste of of the gw sand and pva, and spreadding it out, gives if a very good battlefield muddy look and painting it in Charadon Granite with some lite brusshing of Khemri brown would do the job !!
and your sniper looks B E A Utiful, and the osl is great!
Long forgotten, my friend! Thanks for following the Firstborn! That's sort of how I do my bases, except I don't mix the sand and PVA glue and I don't paint it either. I used to paint my bases, but I think they look more realistic with real sand on there.
dsteingass wrote:The Sniper is more-epic-er than before!
More-epic-er. I like that
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The 104th Vostroyan Mechanized
Rawson's Reboot
Viktor von Domm: nope... can´t do that for the sake of all lving creatures that dwell on earth....
dsteingass: That's like saying "I forgot to tell you who your real father is"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/28 06:34:03
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Basecoated Black
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excellent, excellent, excellent  ) he's looking great now. Well done Rawson, inspiring stuff. I agree with Viktor, the wood grain looks really good, very effective. Keep up the good work
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/28 06:47:30
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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ONLY JUSY FOUND THIS NOW??? Subbed as soon i saw the Baneblade, but all of it is seriously good work. And awesome job on the commander and sniper too! Maybe one day I might start my own Vostroyans.... (looks off into distance)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/28 07:35:25
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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just so that you know what might be the outcome of this devaln mud serious wash i described...a pic is worth a millions words^^
if it weren´t for my modesty i would actually sig that:
Your CC has never been wrong before lol
still grinning widely, vik
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/28 11:20:04
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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butchyboy73 wrote:excellent, excellent, excellent  ) he's looking great now. Well done Rawson, inspiring stuff. I agree with Viktor, the wood grain looks really good, very effective. Keep up the good work
Thanks, Butchy! BTW, I was going to swing by your pages (you know, to return the favor of the great CC) but you don't have any! ::gasp:: What are you working on over there?
The_Solitaire wrote:ONLY JUSY FOUND THIS NOW??? Subbed as soon i saw the Baneblade, but all of it is seriously good work. And awesome job on the commander and sniper too! Maybe one day I might start my own Vostroyans.... (looks off into distance)
Thanks, man! There are definately pros and cons to the Vostroyans. Namely super cool but all metal (though not OOP like everyone says on eBay)
Viktor von Domm wrote:if it weren´t for my modesty i would actually sig that:
Your CC has never been wrong before lol
Modesty is so overrated
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The 104th Vostroyan Mechanized
Rawson's Reboot
Viktor von Domm: nope... can´t do that for the sake of all lving creatures that dwell on earth....
dsteingass: That's like saying "I forgot to tell you who your real father is"
nerdfest09: Rawson speaks the truth! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/28 13:46:44
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Basecoated Black
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" Thanks, Butchy! BTW, I was going to swing by your pages (you know, to return the favor of the great CC) but you don't have any! ::gasp:: What are you working on over there?"
Why Rawson, I'm too poor to afford pages of my own, sir <tugs almost non existant forelock, turns out holed filled pockets and shows socks with toes and heels worn out  ) >
Truth is it's never occurred to me to set up a page of my own efforts. I have been fairly busy recently with painting 400 points worth of Elysian STYLED drop troops (used Cadian Shock Troops and Kaskrin figures, 28 of them all told) and 3 smart, in my own humble opinion, markers for a patrol competition this weekend at my local wargaming club, St Aidens Warriors. I have high hopes of brining home a new wooden spoon for my good lady to stir my porrige with  )
As they, my drop troops combat patrol, are all but done I'll take a few photos and stick them on the site somewhere and you can get your own back, CC-wise  )
I may start a blog for my Elysian STYLED drop troops once I get my grubby paws on some Valkyries. Though it would be all about the trials and tribulations of making an army with second hand, paint stripped and pre glued figures. Something I haven't come across yet online (I'll bet I recieve about 10 links to sites that deal with all of the above  )
Any update on how the voting has gone on your commander figure yet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 09:09:41
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Roarin' Runtherd
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BANEBLADE
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NUMBER 1 MOST DESIARABLE THING IN THE WORLD IS DEVLAN MUD FOLLOWED CLOSELY BY BADAB BLACK then food and water |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 10:12:10
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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dakkagrot187 wrote:BANEBLADE 
Is this a Tourette's exclaimation or are comments forthcoming?
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The 104th Vostroyan Mechanized
Rawson's Reboot
Viktor von Domm: nope... can´t do that for the sake of all lving creatures that dwell on earth....
dsteingass: That's like saying "I forgot to tell you who your real father is"
nerdfest09: Rawson speaks the truth! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 12:45:43
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
Filipstad, Sweden.
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Awesome, must have more!
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"You have ruled this galaxy for ten thousand years, yet have little of account to show for you efforts. Order. Unity. Obedience. We taught the galaxy these things, and we shall do so again."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 12:56:47
Subject: Re:The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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MOAR!!!!! hows the rest of the sniper's squad going??
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- Member of the League of Extraordinary Riveters -
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 13:04:54
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Thatguy91 wrote:Awesome, must have more!
I'll see what I can do
Eziekiel wrote:MOAR!!!!! hows the rest of the sniper's squad going??
Haven't worked on the squad so much (okay, I just got them out for that pic to stand next to Petr). I've actually been painting the steeds for the roughriders a little bit over the last few days. On the one hand, it's going well because I'm taking the time to mix up some good colors for the highlighting. On the other hand, the size and complex shape of the horses are making it a bit difficult to get nice clean lines. I'll post some pics soon. Thanks for following!
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The 104th Vostroyan Mechanized
Rawson's Reboot
Viktor von Domm: nope... can´t do that for the sake of all lving creatures that dwell on earth....
dsteingass: That's like saying "I forgot to tell you who your real father is"
nerdfest09: Rawson speaks the truth! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 13:29:37
Subject: Re:The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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okay  , cant wait to see them, are you doing the horses a generic browny colour or doing some darker lighter tones with blending ??
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 15:04:57
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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Rawson wrote:dakkagrot187 wrote:BANEBLADE 
Is this a Tourette's exclaimation or are comments forthcoming? 
lol!!!! my thoughts exactly^^
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 21:56:38
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Eziekiel wrote:are you doing the horses a generic browny colour or doing some darker lighter tones with blending ??
Well, I wanted all white horses, but I decided that that wasn't so probably, so I'm doing different light colored base coats (tan, cream, and grey) and layering up from there.
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The 104th Vostroyan Mechanized
Rawson's Reboot
Viktor von Domm: nope... can´t do that for the sake of all lving creatures that dwell on earth....
dsteingass: That's like saying "I forgot to tell you who your real father is"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/30 23:39:45
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Journeyman Inquisitor with Visions of the Warp
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Just checked over you whole blog , i have missed a load of cool stuff, Your Vost are great matey , and the vendetta is excellent , although i too also like my wings backwards ,
its the spit fire homage i think ;-)
Love your sniper sgt and your custom cadians too, great work all round matey.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/31 13:40:38
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/28 Sniper Sergeant Update
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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neil101 wrote:Just checked over you whole blog , i have missed a load of cool stuff, Your Vost are great matey , and the vendetta is excellent , although i too also like my wings backwards ,
its the spit fire homage i think ;-)
Love your sniper sgt and your custom cadians too, great work all round matey.
Thanks for the compliments, neil! Hope I can keep you well supplied with awesomeness Automatically Appended Next Post: Well, I haven't been painting so much lately, but I've been getting some things done at least. Here are the latest WIP pics of the Roughrider steeds. They aren't turning out exactly how I wanted, but I'm still pretty happy with them.
And here was the base coats again for comparison.
What do you guys think?
Thanks for looking!
Rawson
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The 104th Vostroyan Mechanized
Rawson's Reboot
Viktor von Domm: nope... can´t do that for the sake of all lving creatures that dwell on earth....
dsteingass: That's like saying "I forgot to tell you who your real father is"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/10/31 23:37:27
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/31 Roughrider Steeds
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
California + Philidelphia
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some rather nice color choices of horses for your vostroyans if they had been too dark i dont think it would look right but it looks fine so far
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"Don't worry, Vik! You have all of your internet friends to keep you company! And, as everyone knows, internet friends are at least one step above imaginary friends "-Rawson
"Does an Ork shiiiit green?" "...Rogue! -you rock!" "Damn you too Rogue!""[TTFN]... That means tittyfething right?""Yep, that's me, a two-dollar whore"-Dsteingass
"... but if we all fail together we can make it look like we´ve won actually.." "...to all killers out there...: my face will hit your fist so hard it´s gonna bleed...your fist that is...""lol....OMG... you are a serial""he knows no pain...nor fear^^ he is a riveteer""yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose...""er... emailsex... now that at least sounds like the perfect safer sex... but i like mine a bit more...wet""do you know what they call a quarter pounder of a buckte full of rivets in france?" "No...what?" "Rivitz royal"-Viktor von Domm
" I expected to hear gak like that from RW, not you Vik... for shame Sir, for shame"-AnUnearthlyChilde
"We are Vik's private collection of muses for the monkey on his back.....""you, guys are worse than my children......"-mxwllmdr
"Singling one out as odd in a =][_= thread is like going into an asylum, pointing at someone at random and saying "that person's insane""-Shrike |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/01 10:07:08
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/31 Roughrider Steeds
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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hmmm... still basecoat only so we can only speculate how they will turn out... but i think they will be at least a tad awsome^^ still they need some brass details...you won´t feel good if the leatherworks on those wont have a bit of bling around them^^
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/01 11:51:36
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/31 Roughrider Steeds
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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Rogue Wolves wrote:some rather nice color choices of horses for your vostroyans if they had been too dark i dont think it would look right but it looks fine so far
Thanks!
Viktor von Domm wrote:hmmm... still basecoat only so we can only speculate how they will turn out... but i think they will be at least a tad awsome^^
Well, it's been a few more layers since the basecoat, but the comparison pics were taken under different lighting, so it might be a bit tough to tell... And I'll settle for a tad awesome
Viktor von Domm wrote:still they need some brass details...you won´t feel good if the leatherworks on those wont have a bit of bling around them^^
You mean, like, add some rivets?  What a strange suggestion from you, Vik
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The 104th Vostroyan Mechanized
Rawson's Reboot
Viktor von Domm: nope... can´t do that for the sake of all lving creatures that dwell on earth....
dsteingass: That's like saying "I forgot to tell you who your real father is"
nerdfest09: Rawson speaks the truth! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/01 12:11:25
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/31 Roughrider Steeds
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I love painting grey horses, it always really pops when ridden by soldiers in drab colored fatigues.
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/01 14:58:55
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 10/31 Roughrider Steeds
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Shroomin Brain Boy
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What a strange suggestion from you, Vik
yep... i must be out of my mind...*shakes head in wonderment...*
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/01 23:15:12
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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Pyromaniac Hellhound Pilot
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dsteingass wrote:I love painting grey horses, it always really pops when ridden by soldiers in drab colored fatigues.
Yes, I think the red and gold of the Vostroyan 104th fits quite well into the "drab fatigues" category
Viktor von Domm wrote:What a strange suggestion from you, Vik
yep... i must be out of my mind...*shakes head in wonderment...*
Well, it must be contagious, because I certainly went to town with the riveting tonight. I have always wanted to add more rivets to my old Leman Russes, and (with a little inspiration from Vik and DST) I finally got up the nerve to start carving into the tanks. Here's the strategy I used: drill 1mm holes where the rivets should go, clip a several mm length of .025" rod, glue into hole, wait until dry, clip off excess.
I started off with some practice (no need to get too far ahead of myself  )
Here's the holes
Here's the rivets
and here's the rivets drying (or, as I like to call it, the Porcupine Pattern Leman Russ  )
Now I just wait until tomorrow and trim off the extra length and "Voila!". We have a freshly riveted turret!
I've been using clippers to cut the rivets and trim them, which causes a bit of deformation, but it cleans up pretty easily.
Thanks for looking!
Rawson
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The 104th Vostroyan Mechanized
Rawson's Reboot
Viktor von Domm: nope... can´t do that for the sake of all lving creatures that dwell on earth....
dsteingass: That's like saying "I forgot to tell you who your real father is"
nerdfest09: Rawson speaks the truth! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/01 23:25:09
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Dood that is awesome!!
The League of Extraordinary Riveters!
If your clippers are dull, try toenail clippers for that crisp cut.
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 00:11:51
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
California + Philidelphia
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dsteingass is right i think toenail clippers would be good for this job, im interested on seeing what this tank looks like with those rivits
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"Don't worry, Vik! You have all of your internet friends to keep you company! And, as everyone knows, internet friends are at least one step above imaginary friends "-Rawson
"Does an Ork shiiiit green?" "...Rogue! -you rock!" "Damn you too Rogue!""[TTFN]... That means tittyfething right?""Yep, that's me, a two-dollar whore"-Dsteingass
"... but if we all fail together we can make it look like we´ve won actually.." "...to all killers out there...: my face will hit your fist so hard it´s gonna bleed...your fist that is...""lol....OMG... you are a serial""he knows no pain...nor fear^^ he is a riveteer""yep... some of the dakka chaps here sure made the joints of my jaw quite loose...""er... emailsex... now that at least sounds like the perfect safer sex... but i like mine a bit more...wet""do you know what they call a quarter pounder of a buckte full of rivets in france?" "No...what?" "Rivitz royal"-Viktor von Domm
" I expected to hear gak like that from RW, not you Vik... for shame Sir, for shame"-AnUnearthlyChilde
"We are Vik's private collection of muses for the monkey on his back.....""you, guys are worse than my children......"-mxwllmdr
"Singling one out as odd in a =][_= thread is like going into an asylum, pointing at someone at random and saying "that person's insane""-Shrike |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 00:15:43
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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..Assuming your toenail clipers are not duller than your modeling clippers...In that case, you may want to go see a doctor or specialist! lol
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 01:40:08
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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Phanobi
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Fantastic thread Rawson! I personally love Vostroyans and have been thinking of picking some up, your work is only getting me closer to that goal!
Interested to see how the tank turns out
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 08:52:11
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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I thought you'd put rivets on the horses - phew!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 12:17:10
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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i hope so too^^ there is no stopping once you became a lover for rivets^^
love the Porcupine look already... once trimmed this will be simply stunning and i bet a million you love it too... and in the end you will marvel how the tank has looked before as the look then with rivets will be as if it is literally questoning your beliefs in non riveted tanks^^
leaque of extraordinary riveters! join us now...! recruiting lines (or should we call it rivetinglines) are open 24/7^^
and i bet the riveting methode would work well on saddles for your horses too...just a hint
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 18:06:12
Subject: Re:The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Steampunk mechanical steeds with rivets?
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"dave you are the definition of old school..." -Viktor Von Domm My P&M Blog :
It's great how just adding a little iconography, and rivets of course, can make something look distinctly 40K-adamsouza
"Ah yes, the sound of riveting.....Swear word after swear word and the clinking of thrown tools" "Nope. It sucks do it again..."- mxwllmdr
"It puts together more terrain, or else it gets the hose again...-dangledorf2.0
"This is the Imperium, there is no peace, there are only rivets" -Vitruvian XVII
"I think rivets are the perfect solution to almost every problem"- Rawson
More buildings for the Building God! -Shasolenzabi
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/11/02 22:02:42
Subject: The Firstborn - Rawson's Vostroyans: 11/1 RIVETS!
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lol...there is actually a mech horse even by GW out there... fantasy style:
an idea is forming...argh....the blame is on you now dstein...and they women tempt men...
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