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I know that we don't have the full rules with the codex yet but I assume these variants can't be summoned, can they?

 luke1705 wrote:
I know that we don't have the full rules with the codex yet but I assume these variants can't be summoned, can they?

Unfettered Fury is the generic Bloodthirster with a fancy title added.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Even at Ini 1, the Blood thirster with the D axe should win as the knight will have 3 attacks (4 on the charge) hitting on 5s, not the best odds whereass the bloodthirster hits on 3s with 6 attacks (7 on the charge)

The D-Weapon Thirster has Rage, so 8 on the Charge.

Also well played GW for that.

 luke1705 wrote:
I know that we don't have the full rules with the codex yet but I assume these variants can't be summoned, can they?

I don't believe they can be summoned.

Disagree with Invisibility being broken. Against some armies it's the only reliable way to get our beatstick unit into combat intact. Against Tau with markerlights, even that is a dubious endeavor.

 adamsouza wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
I know that we don't have the full rules with the codex yet but I assume these variants can't be summoned, can they?

I don't believe they can be summoned.

It basically boils down to if GW says "these profiles replace the codex: daemons entry for "bloodthirster"". Sadly I think it will be just the normal one with the whip and not any of the three. Summoning strength d would be pretty sick though

So high risk, high reward taking on knights but that WS10 is it's only saver as it forces the knight to hit on 5s. If he rolls a 5, and then a 6 you're boned, but if not, you've got him with 8 str.D attacks on the charge even if it's at I1.

Honestly, I'm terrified of that thing and taking it on with my Crons where initiative matters less.

Can someone explain to me why the Bloodthirster with the Strength D weapon is cheaper than the one with the crappy hammer flail?

Yeah, that Bloodthirster can mess Crons up.

And I fully expect that mine shall do just that

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Can someone explain to me why the Bloodthirster with the Strength D weapon is cheaper than the one with the crappy hammer flail?

Because the Bloodflail one gets Adamantium Will standard, has a ranged attack and Hatred (Characters)?

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Does Blood for the Blood God work with Siege of Vraks Unending Host?

D'ya honestly think they thought about that?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Does Blood for the Blood God work with Siege of Vraks Unending Host?

D'ya honestly think they thought about that?

No, so it probably does.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Because every army that runs knights also runs grav?

Grav is one example I chose out of the things a competitive army will use to casually wipe its ass with a T6 3+ MC. Pick one.

Thank you for answering a question that was never asked then?

I don't need your permission to weigh in on the discussion, broski. You're just going to have to deal with it.

 buddha wrote:
So high risk, high reward taking on knights but that WS10 is it's only saver as it forces the knight to hit on 5s. If he rolls a 5, and then a 6 you're boned, but if not, you've got him with 8 str.D attacks on the charge even if it's at I1.

Honestly, I'm terrified of that thing and taking it on with my Crons where initiative matters less.

It's a bet I'd take. Assuming you can actually get the damn thing into combat, the chances of him taking one or two wounds off your 'thirster and then getting son'd by a crap-ton of D attacks is much more probable than him getting a 5 and then a 6 on like 4 attacks.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Because the Bloodflail one gets Adamantium Will standard, has a ranged attack and Hatred (Characters)?

Pretty lackluster really. Short ranged attacks for a Bloodthirster aren't that useful and AW and Hatred are minor buffs. Certainly nothing like as good as Strength D.

This one is supposed to be the best at killing characters yet the dude with the big axe is probably better for that too. Should have upped the Wrath of Khorne's stats or gave him Eternal Warrior or something.
No one will bother taking any Bloodthirster except the Greataxe.

Why would you ever not take the Great Axe Khorne model purchase a Exalted Gift and a Greater, take a Aether Weapon for +1 ST or something else as ridiculous.

Yep Greataxe is the way to go always. Buy 2x Greater 1x Lesser like always so he can have the option to strike at Initiative with Axe of Khorne and hope you get some of the bonus durability from the greaters.

And because the greataxe isn't twohanded you can always get a pair of specialist weapons so he can gain +1 attack while using the greataxe anyway. 9 attacks on the charge with WS10 S, anything that fails to kill him before he strikes should be paste.

And people are saying that IKs are broken, lol.

Am I the only one who wishes we could get a better picture of the contents of that warband box? Because there's something about the infantry models in the front of the image that don't look right.

EDIT: And Also, it's about time something other than the Imperium was overpowered... Chaos has been far too weak for far too long... It's about time for people to fear the power of CHAOS!!!

Wouldn't the main drawback still be the inability to charge after changing flight modes? It's all kill sure, but everything's gonna be pointing at it from the get go.

 Reinokarite wrote:
And people are saying that IKs are broken, lol.

The only hate I've seen aimed at the IK was aimed at the Adamantium Lance.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
EDIT: And Also, it's about time something other than the Imperium was overpowered... Chaos has been far too weak for far too long... It's about time for people to fear the power of CHAOS!!!

[sarcasm]Because IoM obviously wining every tournament...[/sarcasm]

Chaous: Daemons Codex is considered to be on the same tier as Eldar and Necrons.

What I'm realy waiting for from this release are more good-looking models. It is allways good when there are alot of different models on TT.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
EDIT: And Also, it's about time something other than the Imperium was overpowered... Chaos has been far too weak for far too long... It's about time for people to fear the power of CHAOS!!!

What are Wave Serpents or Riptides?

ClockworkZion wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
EDIT: And Also, it's about time something other than the Imperium was overpowered... Chaos has been far too weak for far too long... It's about time for people to fear the power of CHAOS!!!

What are Wave Serpents or Riptides?

Completely fair and balanced units that can be combatted if you're smart about list building and not getting scared by seeing them across the table. I used to think Deathwing Terminator armies were completely broken because they'd come in and literally wreck my balanced lists because I panicked and didn't deploy right. Then I learned from my mistakes, restrategized and learned to adapt against different enemies and changing tactics mid-wheel. Same thing with these two units, people get scared seeing them across the table and they panick and when it beats them, they think it's broken or overpowered. They're not unbeatable. Imperial Knights were the one thing I didn't want to see across the table, because how do you prepare for that without literally tailoring your list to beat it? Especially if they have the Void Shield Generator. At least now Chaos has something that's equally, if not moreso, scary and pushes the odds out of the IK favor.

Reinokarite wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
EDIT: And Also, it's about time something other than the Imperium was overpowered... Chaos has been far too weak for far too long... It's about time for people to fear the power of CHAOS!!!

[sarcasm]Because IoM obviously wining every tournament...[/sarcasm]

Chaous: Daemons Codex is considered to be on the same tier as Eldar and Necrons.

What I'm realy waiting for from this release are more good-looking models. It is allways good when there are alot of different models on TT.

I'm also waiting for good looking models, that's why I asked about maybe a better pic of the box set released with this codex.

And you can say it all you want, but Daemons stuff is literally gathering dust around here. I just don't see what's so broken about it, I haven't seen a Daemons army around here ever since the codex came out.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
EDIT: And Also, it's about time something other than the Imperium was overpowered... Chaos has been far too weak for far too long... It's about time for people to fear the power of CHAOS!!!

What are Wave Serpents or Riptides?

Completely fair and balanced units that can be combatted if you're smart about list building and not getting scared by seeing them across the table. I used to think Deathwing Terminator armies were completely broken because they'd come in and literally wreck my balanced lists because I panicked and didn't deploy right. Then I learned from my mistakes, restrategized and learned to adapt against different enemies and changing tactics mid-wheel. Same thing with these two units, people get scared seeing them across the table and they panick and when it beats them, they think it's broken or overpowered. They're not unbeatable. Imperial Knights were the one thing I didn't want to see across the table, because how do you prepare for that without literally tailoring your list to beat it? Especially if they have the Void Shield Generator. At least now Chaos has something that's equally, if not moreso, scary and pushes the odds out of the IK favor.

And the Bloodthirster is an HQ choice in a codex that only gets 2 of them in a single FOC.

You can take more Riptides or Wave Serpents in a single FOC than you can the D-Weapon Bloodthirster.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

ClockworkZion wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
EDIT: And Also, it's about time something other than the Imperium was overpowered... Chaos has been far too weak for far too long... It's about time for people to fear the power of CHAOS!!!

What are Wave Serpents or Riptides?

Completely fair and balanced units that can be combatted if you're smart about list building and not getting scared by seeing them across the table. I used to think Deathwing Terminator armies were completely broken because they'd come in and literally wreck my balanced lists because I panicked and didn't deploy right. Then I learned from my mistakes, restrategized and learned to adapt against different enemies and changing tactics mid-wheel. Same thing with these two units, people get scared seeing them across the table and they panick and when it beats them, they think it's broken or overpowered. They're not unbeatable. Imperial Knights were the one thing I didn't want to see across the table, because how do you prepare for that without literally tailoring your list to beat it? Especially if they have the Void Shield Generator. At least now Chaos has something that's equally, if not moreso, scary and pushes the odds out of the IK favor.

And the Bloodthirster is an HQ choice in a codex that only gets 2 of them in a single FOC.

You can take more Riptides or Wave Serpents in a single FOC than you can the D-Weapon Bloodthirster.

Yeah, two of them, but they're going to be incredibly hard to take down.

BTW, I didn't notice at all, are they Independent Characters?

EDIT: I notice their profiles say unit type - Flying, Monstrous Creature (Character) so, does that mean I can join a unit of meat-shields to them?

Monstrous creatures cant join units

And thanks for the chuckle saying wave serpents are balanced

Knights are destroyed the same way as any other tank. I'm taking meltas and power fists in any game anyway.

MCs are arguably harder to kill then superheavies especialy with tuoghness above 5, you can't even instant kill them, the best bet - poisonous weapons, wich I don't have in my codex)

On topic: Damn, this new Bloodthirsders are huge! You will have hard time hiding them behind cover.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Monstrous creatures cant join units

And thanks for the chuckle saying wave serpents are balanced

I'm completely serious, if you're having a hard time popping them open, you've got problems.

Everyday I'm poppin'em!