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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Clearly someone's been playing Dawn of War. That 8th result reminds me of when you summon a Bloodthirster in-game.

Or, you know, all the other non DoW fluff that has that kind of thing...

Skull Helm huh? Causes Fear and makes you a better fighter?

Interesting...

"Blood Tithe Points are generated each time the following occurs:

– A unit with Blood for the Blood God is completely destroyed, or destroys and enemy unit.

– A character with Blood for the Blood God is killed, or kills an enemy character in a challenge."

Hmmm... does this mean that technically, each unit would be worth 2 Blood Tithe points when they're destroyed? One for the unit itself, and one for the character/champion inside the unit.

Because of that silly comma, yes.

I was wondering the same thing, but you are probably going too far into rules lawyering if you think that.

 herpguy wrote:
I was wondering the same thing, but you are probably going too far into rules lawyering if you think that.

Unless it is errata'd, it is pretty clear that you get two per squad with character. It isn't rules lawyering.

 pretre wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
I was wondering the same thing, but you are probably going too far into rules lawyering if you think that.

Unless it is errata'd, it is pretty clear that you get two per squad with character. It isn't rules lawyering.

Indeed. At least now you don't get penalized for being forced to challenge with everything in your army. There's incentive now to throw an unupgraded sarge into a challenge he can't win, just to get that Blood Tithe point.

drbored wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
I was wondering the same thing, but you are probably going too far into rules lawyering if you think that.

Unless it is errata'd, it is pretty clear that you get two per squad with character. It isn't rules lawyering.

Indeed. At least now you don't get penalized for being forced to challenge with everything in your army. There's incentive now to throw an unupgraded sarge into a challenge he can't win, just to get that Blood Tithe point.

That seems very Khorne like actually.

I'm pretty interested in this book the more I hear about it.

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Darkness wrote:
The Herald of Khorne in that pic is clearly on a 32mm base, and from the other pics on BL's page, it seems bloodletters are still on 25mm but the CSM units are on 32mm

I bought a box of berserkers & blood letters and preordered the new box ($230 one) last weekend. The GW manager handed me a bunch of 32mm bases and said the berserkers & bloodletters now go on 32mm bases. FYI

I really hope that isn't the case, all my daemons fit more than comfortably on their 25mm's, it's bad enough that the marines will need shifting at some point in the future.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Darkness wrote:
The Herald of Khorne in that pic is clearly on a 32mm base, and from the other pics on BL's page, it seems bloodletters are still on 25mm but the CSM units are on 32mm

I bought a box of berserkers & blood letters and preordered the new box ($230 one) last weekend. The GW manager handed me a bunch of 32mm bases and said the berserkers & bloodletters now go on 32mm bases. FYI

I really hope that isn't the case, all my daemons fit more than comfortably on their 25mm's, it's bad enough that the marines will need shifting at some point in the future.

Anyone who argues that I MUST re-base all my current Daemons and put them on the new 32's can go themselves...

While it's possible for my B.Letters to be very carefully & gently broken off of their 25mm's, I'd still be throwing away a small mountain of added bitz that were used to build up scenic bases for them, and then have to re-do all of with yet more bitz, (namely skulls, various spikes & parts of dead Space Puppy + GK!), for their 32mm's.
And there's no way in hell the likes of my Pink Horrors, (who will almost certainly eventually follow suit), will [b]everp/b] come off their current bases without snapping their tiny little ankles in half.

Plus there's the fact that currently, basing all my Daemon infantry on 25mm's allows me to very easily cross the same models over to Fantasy, instead of forcing me to re-buy a 2nd version of the exact same gakking army!

 pretre wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
I was wondering the same thing, but you are probably going too far into rules lawyering if you think that.

Unless it is errata'd, it is pretty clear that you get two per squad with character. It isn't rules lawyering.

What I meant was that it can be argued that with that wording you can get a point even if your character is killed outside a challenge.

I don't think there's anything to argue. It is clear that that says you do get a point when he is killed outside of a challenge. I'm not sure where the argument that you only get one in a challenge would come from.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:

 Darkness wrote:
The Herald of Khorne in that pic is clearly on a 32mm base, and from the other pics on BL's page, it seems bloodletters are still on 25mm but the CSM units are on 32mm

I bought a box of berserkers & blood letters and preordered the new box ($230 one) last weekend. The GW manager handed me a bunch of 32mm bases and said the berserkers & bloodletters now go on 32mm bases. FYI

I really hope that isn't the case, all my daemons fit more than comfortably on their 25mm's, it's bad enough that the marines will need shifting at some point in the future.

Anyone who argues that I MUST re-base all my current Daemons and put them on the new 32's can go themselves...

While it's possible for my B.Letters to be very carefully & gently broken off of their 25mm's, I'd still be throwing away a small mountain of added bitz that were used to build up scenic bases for them, and then have to re-do all of with yet more bitz, (namely skulls, various spikes & parts of dead Space Puppy + GK!), for their 32mm's.
And there's no way in hell the likes of my Pink Horrors, (who will almost certainly eventually follow suit), will [b]everp/b] come off their current bases without snapping their tiny little ankles in half.

Plus there's the fact that currently, basing all my Daemon infantry on 25mm's allows me to very easily cross the same models over to Fantasy, instead of forcing me to re-buy a 2nd version of the exact same gakking army!

You could always get these adapter rings to make it easy:


http://eccentricminiatures.com/adapterrings.html

But, there is no need to upgrade if you're happy with 25mm bases. No tournament will enforce new bases.

No-where in the rules does it say "thou shalt base x unit on such and such a size base"

What it does say is-

Pg 366(on ipad)

The rules in this book assume that the models are mounted on the base THEY ARE SUPPLIED WITH (In this case, both 28mm and 32mm). Sometimes, a player may have models in his/her collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), YOU SHOULD ALWAYS FEEL FREE TO MOUNT THE MODEL ON A BASE OF APPROPRIATE SIZE IF YOU WISH, using models of a similar type as guidance

So base them on 28s if you want.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
No-where in the rules does it say "thou shalt base x unit on such and such a size base"

What it does say is-

Pg 366(on ipad)

The rules in this book assume that the models are mounted on the base THEY ARE SUPPLIED WITH (In this case, both 28mm and 32mm). Sometimes, a player may have models in his/her collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), YOU SHOULD ALWAYS FEEL FREE TO MOUNT THE MODEL ON A BASE OF APPROPRIATE SIZE IF YOU WISH, using models of a similar type as guidance

So base them on 28s if you want.

True, you don't have to rebase stuff. But the red caps lock part you quoted has to do with models that weren't supplied with a base- a specific example being the old Khorne Lord on a Juggernaught. That model you may put on any base that is appropriate for its size (I used a 40mm). It doesn't give you permission to put whatever you want on whatever size base you want though.

Also interesting to see that a Daemon Prince that is summoned with #7 on the Blood Tithe table get wings if the model you have to summon has wings modeled on it.

It's probably usually a bad idea to take the wings, actually - you won't be assaulting until three turns after you summon him.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
It's probably usually a bad idea to take the wings, actually - you won't be assaulting until three turns after you summon him.

I just thought it was interesting- not that I would necessarily do it. There are extremely specific situations that it would help, but I recognize that if assaulting ASAP is necessary then it is more prudent to not have wings.

Essentially I was saying that I guess mine are going to be summoned with wings seeing as how I only have winged ones.

 pretre wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
I was wondering the same thing, but you are probably going too far into rules lawyering if you think that.

Unless it is errata'd, it is pretty clear that you get two per squad with character. It isn't rules lawyering.

For me, I will play it - 1 point for a squad, including a 'sergeant' & 2 if the unit had an IC attached to it. But that's just me.
Have to wait to read the unit entry? If it states 'the unit has...' then my interpretation would be 1 for the whole unit.

 bubber wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 herpguy wrote:
I was wondering the same thing, but you are probably going too far into rules lawyering if you think that.

Unless it is errata'd, it is pretty clear that you get two per squad with character. It isn't rules lawyering.

For me, I will play it - 1 point for a squad, including a 'sergeant' & 2 if the unit had an IC attached to it. But that's just me.
Have to wait to read the unit entry? If it states 'the unit has...' then my interpretation would be 1 for the whole unit.

You'll not be playing it according to what the rule says though...

 Lou_Cypher wrote:
"Blood Tithe Points are generated each time the following occurs:

– A unit with Blood for the Blood God is completely destroyed, or destroys and enemy unit.

– A character with Blood for the Blood God is killed, or kills an enemy character in a challenge."

Hmmm... does this mean that technically, each unit would be worth 2 Blood Tithe points when they're destroyed? One for the unit itself, and one for the character/champion inside the unit.

Actually, I'm studying English grammar at uni, and I can't find any reason to interpret it the other way. Even a squad leader (non independent character) would generate an extra point. I don't think that was the intention, but hey, an all assault army needs all the buffs it can get!

Actually I'm really liking this.
-Two units get into assault.
-declare challenges.
-the characters kill and are killed by there opponents. (4 blood tithe pts)
-the rest of the two units kills the enemy. (2 blood tithe pts)
-the following turn they are obviously going to be shot to pieces (2 blood tithe pts)
-Hello Bloodthirster!

Still likely more points than just paying for a BT, but you get to kill stuff with them before the BT arrives. Win!
Two ten man mark of Khorne CSM squads + free Bloodthirster = 320 points! (Providing of course you can get them into combat.)


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Just to clarify, if an independent character was with the squad and they got shot up, you would generate 3 Blood tithe points. Whether it's the intention or not, that's the way the wording makes it work.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Yes, my grammar in the forums is technically full of mistakes. It's a forum not an essay!

Does this codex seem poorly thought out to anyone else?

The bloodthirsters that you summon can't do anything until the third turn because they need to start flying one turn, land the next, cant assault after they land....so at best you can assault maybe last turn of the game if you are lucky?


Whats the point of summoning a bloodthirster that you can't even use?

Angrygrot wrote:
Does this codex seem poorly thought out to anyone else?

Do you mean in general or just in comparison to the majority of what GW has done in the last two years?

Or you know just don't have it fly.

Nvm just checked the rule....They arrive by deep strike but blood points are spent at the beginning of the turn, and monsterous creatures elect swoop or glide during movement...does that mean I can spend my blood points, then elect to land during movement and only have to spend 1 turn out of assault?

If you want to start with a Bloodthirster on the ground, pay for him with points during army construction, instead of blood points mid game.

If you don't want to wait for a free Bloodthirster to land 2 turns later, spend your blood points on something else, or have him attack enemy flyers while he's up there.

After reading the book front to back a few times, I am not too happy with it. It basically runs like a mono Demon build with a few benefits over the demon book and some downsides that can be pretty big. The formations are mostly bad too. There are a lot of minor things.

For starters, the armor relic is the cost of a cultist unit and can only be used by Demon Princes.
The ax that turns you into a bloodthirster is more expensive than that one.
No dozers on landraiders
no dirge casters at all

Woot?, no Dirge casters?..., is this a joke?, you think its a melon-fething game GW?!

The only usefull piece of equipment in all this drivel, and they squatted it?!...

Skulltaker can only fight on foot :(

Darkness wrote:After reading the book front to back a few times, I am not too happy with it. It basically runs like a mono Demon build with a few benefits over the demon book and some downsides that can be pretty big. The formations are mostly bad too. There are a lot of minor things.

For starters, the armor relic is the cost of a cultist unit and can only be used by Demon Princes.
The ax that turns you into a bloodthirster is more expensive than that one.
No dozers on landraiders
no dirge casters at all

Darkness wrote:Skulltaker can only fight on foot :(

Wow, I've never gone from excited to buy a product to actual anger. It literally gets worse every time more of thw book is revealed. There's no way I'm buying this thing now. It's insulting to me as a customer that they're releasing this codex with this poor of rules. When will a summoned bloodthirster ever be useful? Why is an army already at a huge disadvantage against the majority of the game given point increases and forbidden from taking options that could actually help it work? it feels like we're being trolled. I'm pretty tempted to put my chaos army on ebay now. And now I see why they keep such a tight lid on rumors, when they release garbage like this it's best for them the player base doesn't know and buys the book based on what it potentially could be. Knowing what it actually is, I won't spend a dime on it. I really don't get this book, does GW hate money?

This is hilarious.

I'll definitely be selling my Skulltaker Edition on eBay.

Super weak.