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 Kanluwen wrote:

Tsilber wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:
Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.

Actually it is great marketing, and excellent deal towards a great formation that requires 3 books to play, which goes full circle to marketing.

And that formation requires a White Dwarf long since unavailable, so until it makes an appearance in an actual book?

It's not marketing. It's them finding the one and only Mechanicus blister to add in.

Yeah, its too bad no one can get their hands on that formation except that white dwarf. If only we had some sort of global search engine with the option to view images, then copy and print those images... darn it..
And you really don't need the books to play it. (See "if only comment above"). But then there are people who like the fluff and the read and go ahead and buy the books. Oh the books also have the unit specifics and stats inside too I hear.


Your final sentence is comical though.

Tsilber wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Tsilber wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:
Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.

Actually it is great marketing, and excellent deal towards a great formation that requires 3 books to play, which goes full circle to marketing.

And that formation requires a White Dwarf long since unavailable, so until it makes an appearance in an actual book?

It's not marketing. It's them finding the one and only Mechanicus blister to add in.

Yeah, its too bad no one can get their hands on that formation except that white dwarf. If only we had some sort of global search engine with the option to view images, then copy and print those images... darn it..

That's fine and dandy for places that will allow that.

Personally? I won't let you ever play a scan of a Formation like that. If you wanted the Formation, you could have bought White Dwarf like everyone else did.

And you really don't need the books to play it. (See "if only comment above"). But then there are people who like the fluff and the read and go ahead and buy the books. Oh the books also have the unit specifics and stats inside too I hear.

Again, that's fine and dandy for places that will allow that. No shop I know of will though and I can't foresee too many players being that lenient beyond the first couple of games.

Your final sentence is comical though.

And your insistence that this is somehow tied to them "being unable to maintain a split between Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii" is childlike petulance at best. You're not complaining about the Officio Prefectus Commissar being in the Guard bundle, yet he's somehow required for every single damn Militarum Tempestus Formation and mysteriously absent in the vast majority of Guard formations.

OMG! GW can't even maintain a split between the Tempestus and Guard, what a joke!


In both the Guard and Skitarii bundles, the only Warlord options(note: Warlord NOT HQ options) that are available outside of squads are two blisters that are commonly used for their allied contingents.

hahaha. Plenty of places including Gts allow a copy of a formation or a copy of a unit allowed, if it came from a limited production or out of print book. Specially forgeworld entries.

I do understand and agree a codex hard copy should be on hand for events. But local stores, friday night gaming, or playing with friends does not have such requirements.

Lol. Any store that doesn't let you run a formation because it was limited and you didn't physically buy the stupid thing required is a store that will lose people pretty quickly. With things like the War Convocation, new Bloodthirsters for Daemons, Skyhammer (especially if you already owned the Devs and Assaults and didn't need the models), etc, you would have to be insane to expect an average gamer to own random things with how hard they make it to do so.

Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?

I wonder if the lack of a chaos box is a sign that their range will be getting new models?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?

Because I didn't play AdMech when it came out and I don't collect WDs for the heck of it. Now, I want to start AdMech and run the Convocation, but it's not sold. Well just screw me then for not knowing what I would be doing months in the future, right?

Literally the only people I know who would force the sort of environment you're talking about are GW employees, which is why we all go to a FLGS instead now.

I think the only reason the Dominus is in the Skitarii set is because every other box has a leader model of some sort, but Skitarii do not have one available. So they go with the next closest thing.

Nvs wrote:
I wonder if the lack of a chaos box is a sign that their range will be getting new models?

We've had it from reliable sources that there's nothing Chaos Marine related at all next year, except perhaps a new plastic 1kSons kit.

Earliest timeframe for a codex/model overhaul is 2017, though personally I'm willing to bet that GW is just as content to let the Chaos Marine range die out at this point as it's been so badly neglected for so long now.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?

"I didn't get stabbed, why did you?"

Try harder next time. Not all of us have money to spare on silly marketing for a company that sharts on its own long term customers on a daily basis. If your rather spend your money and time on a magazine so GW can show you how big the next round of price increases are instead of saving or investing that money in something else, be my guest. Some of us have things we consider "better things" to do with our money.

 McNinja wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?

"I didn't get stabbed, why did you?"

Try harder next time. Not all of us have money to spare on silly marketing for a company that sharts on its own long term customers on a daily basis. If your rather spend your money and time on a magazine so GW can show you how big the next round of price increases are instead of saving or investing that money in something else, be my guest. Some of us have things we consider "better things" to do with our money.

Right, because not buying a non-limited item then complaining about not having it is totally the same thing as getting stabbed. Internal forces vs. external forces at work.

 McNinja wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?

"I didn't get stabbed, why did you?".

Oh come on, how fair is that coming from a ninja?

Tsilber wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:
Its kinda bad when even GW is struggling to justify the split between the Skitarii and Cult Mech codex when they can't even keep the starter bundle contained to models from one codex.

Actually it is great marketing, and excellent deal towards a great formation that requires 3 books to play, which goes full circle to marketing.

Well, not really. The amount of people showing up at my local clubs over the last few years using home-printed ringbound codices has skyrocketed, and of four I think I'm the only AdMech player who actually has both hardbound books. And even for me, buying both was a rarity; I went from "guy who buys all the codices for the fluff" to "guy who buys only the codices he absolutely needs and looks at Lexicanum for the fluff" because of crap like the AdMech codex split. Making your product such a terrible value proposition that lots of people simply pirate it instead of buying it is hardly "great marketing".

But this set of deals, assuming they're not yet-another Super Special Ultra Mega Limited BUY BUY BUY Edition product and will actually be sticking around, might be an indication they're beginning to understand that. The pricing on these is actually low enough to challenge China Forge, certainly once you factor in online discounts. Imagine that; trying to win back customers by offering them value for money, it'll never catch on.

EDIT: And guys, don't bother arguing with Kan, he's stated publicly before that he deliberately posts crap like that to get a rise out of people. For some reason the mods have decided that his admission many of his posts are the literal definition of trolling doesn't count, so just don't engage.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Personally? I won't let you ever play a scan of a Formation like that. If you wanted the Formation, you could have bought White Dwarf like everyone else did.

You don't like when we say this about you Kan. So I won't.

But in all seriousness, stop being suck a stick-in-the-mud.

It does make me laugh that the same people complaining about the price being a barrier to entry put up the same kind of barriers re print outs and copies.

If you're unwilling to play someone who brings a print out of a formation that was only available for a limited time, then you seriously need to rethink your priorities in life.

You guys DO realise, the WD issue in question is available in digital per the GW webstore?

 General Kroll wrote:
It does make me laugh that the same people complaining about the price being a barrier to entry put up the same kind of barriers re print outs and copies.

If you're unwilling to play someone who brings a print out of a formation that was only available for a limited time, then you seriously need to rethink your priorities in life.

If you can build an army to the tune of several hundred dollars but refuse to put up the FOUR DOLLARS for a frickin' White Dwarf, you need to rethink yours as well. Seriously, the entitlement of a lot of people these days is just annoying. GW isn't a charity. Yes, they do ask ridiculous prices for a lot of their stuff, but White Dwarf is hardly one of those things.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Not my problem if you didn't buy the White Dwarf then. I got my copy, why didn't you get yours?

Oh, I don't know. Because you were born with an extra chromosome?

 Kanluwen wrote:


Personally? I won't let you ever play a scan of a Formation like that. If you wanted the Formation, you could have bought White Dwarf like everyone else did.

Lmao, that's pathetic. You sound like a terrible opponent, probably saving people the trouble of needing to deal with you if you decline a game over stupid gak like that.

But how can you live by 'pay to win' if the other guy plays 'photocopy to win'? O_o

I'm just going to throw out the suggestion that the tone and candor of this thread may want to be relaxed a bit, as much of the current discussion is irrelevant to the topic and is ignoring the golden dakka rule.

To go back on topic-ish, since I doubt we'll get anything solid rumor wise until the new year, there's a dearth of of 40k related rumors for the new year. I can't imagine GW neglecting their flagship game that long, but back in the days of being a Fantasy player I loved that chunk of time in 2014 when we had fantasy release after fantasy release, Im guessing the AoS players are the same.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
It does make me laugh that the same people complaining about the price being a barrier to entry put up the same kind of barriers re print outs and copies.

If you're unwilling to play someone who brings a print out of a formation that was only available for a limited time, then you seriously need to rethink your priorities in life.

If you can build an army to the tune of several hundred dollars but refuse to put up the FOUR DOLLARS for a frickin' White Dwarf, you need to rethink yours as well. Seriously, the entitlement of a lot of people these days is just annoying. GW isn't a charity. Yes, they do ask ridiculous prices for a lot of their stuff, but White Dwarf is hardly one of those things.

It's nothing to do with the price. Someone may have missed the WD that it was in. I don't even buy WD these days, it's a piss poor magazine. But it's pretty pathetic to refuse to play someone because all they have is a copy. It's a game for Christ sake, its supposed to be fun. Why put barriers up to stop someone else playing. As long as the rules are correct, there shouldn't be a problem.

So...

No actual news.

No rumors.

And a lot of Rule #1 violations?

Looks like we're done here.