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 Lord of Deeds wrote:
Sorry if already asked, but is there anything in the Nurgle or Khorne sets that you cannot use in 40K?

Nope, but it only comes with a formation for AoS. But the models are all fine for 40k.

Any clue if the models included in the daemon sets are not worth fielding in a game of 40K? Either set worth doubling up on?

The Khorne chariot is kinda meh. It's the only thing that's pretty poor out of the lot.

Plague Drones are alright, but you'll want more than the 3 that come in the box, ditto for Bloodcrushers. However, units of 3 of each are great for summoning, so if you're making a Summoning Daemons list, it's a solid buy.

Plaugebearers and Nurglings are pretty good Troops. Bloodletters not so much, but again, they're great if you Summon them up for free and on top of the enemy. The Herald of Nurgle is extremely solid imo and can also be summoned via Sacrifice.

 Drasius wrote:
Not terible at ensuring you remain safe from assault, just pick the dude the furtherest away, he stays there, everyone else redeploys behind at max coherency and then you can still move back 6" and rapidfire. The more spread out you are, the better this gets.

Can also use to suddenly string out in a conga line at max coherency (10 dudes on 32 mm bases and 2" coherency gives (32 x 10 + 8 x 25 + 3 x 25 = 595mm) 23.8 inches, just slightly less than 2 feet to claim objectives, add another ~6" if you've got a pair of drones too, useful for last turn objective grabbing, or even current turn objective grabbing if maelstrom.

Could also be used to launch surprise turn 1 assaults on vehicles if you take EMP grenades, string out in a big conga line 24" after deploying on the line, move 6", charge 2d6 and haywire the crap out of something like a knight or a land raider. Major lulz.

All models have to be deployed within 3" of the lynchpin model, so there are no 24" conga lines or 1st turn assaults.

 ae2016 wrote:

Confirmed: the Stalker is a completely pointless addition to the box.
Nice job trying to offload stuff that's not selling, guys.

 skoffs wrote:

 ae2016 wrote:

Confirmed: the Stalker is a completely pointless addition to the box.
Nice job trying to offload stuff that's not selling, guys.

Worst part is that the Stalker is what you are paying for the most in this boxed set. The Overlord is what you are getting for free.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

Spoiler:

 ae2016 wrote:

Confirmed: the Stalker is a completely pointless addition to the box.
Nice job trying to offload stuff that's not selling, guys.

Worst part is that the Stalker is what you are paying for the most in this boxed set. The Overlord is what you are getting for free.

In that most Necron players are already going to have a bunch of Overlord models from bàck when we picked up Annihilation Barges, the last thing we need is ANOTHER free Overlord.
(this box just officially went on my "do not want" list)

Still garbage pricing for what you got just five years ago.

 skoffs wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

Spoiler:

 ae2016 wrote:

Confirmed: the Stalker is a completely pointless addition to the box.
Nice job trying to offload stuff that's not selling, guys.

Worst part is that the Stalker is what you are paying for the most in this boxed set. The Overlord is what you are getting for free.

In that most Necron players are already going to have a bunch of Overlord models from bàck when we picked up Annihilation Barges, the last thing we need is ANOTHER free Overlord.
(this box just officially went on my "do not want" list)

Which is irrelevant considering these are *Start* Collecting sets. They are not geared toward existing players. The Stalker is just a bad choice. They could have a Ghost Ark in there instead. The Stalker is probably a case of GW wanting to clear out some stock.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

Spoiler:

 ae2016 wrote:

Confirmed: the Stalker is a completely pointless addition to the box.
Nice job trying to offload stuff that's not selling, guys.

Worst part is that the Stalker is what you are paying for the most in this boxed set. The Overlord is what you are getting for free.

In that most Necron players are already going to have a bunch of Overlord models from bàck when we picked up Annihilation Barges, the last thing we need is ANOTHER free Overlord.
(this box just officially went on my "do not want" list)

Which is irrelevant considering these are *Start* Collecting sets. They are not geared toward existing players. The Stalker is just a bad choice. They could have a Ghost Ark in there instead. The Stalker is probably a case of GW wanting to clear out some stock.

That may be the case, but there's no reason they couldn't try to work the Stalker into the Formation rules somehow. It would have literally cost them nothing and, if implemented well, could have seen sales of Stalkers increase. This is just laziness on GW's part.

jamesk1973 wrote:
Still garbage pricing for what you got just five years ago.

Example? Been in the hobby since the old RTB set , and whilst I'll accept the value of these sets is a little variable depending on faction, I don't remember much short of the old Apocalypse formation boxes offering this level of official discount. Prices naturally increase with inflation. The Skitarti, Daemon, Tau, Serapon ones are especially goodie terms of value - not forgetting that for AOS you could literally be in the game for £50 now. That's the cheapest ever entry into GW including rules I can remember ever in the last 20 years, especially given you gave some choice in selecting a force.

Even competitor wise, the Mantic equivalent gives you more models but garbage quality, plus you still need the rules as the full rules are not free. £35 gets you a warmahordes starter but less models, though you are set rules wise.

I think these are a great move, combined with online discounters - my local lgs basically dropped most tabletop games and has no space anymore so I see little point in supporting them - I've got two Skitarri boxes for £75 shipped, which is less than the retail price of two dune crawlers.

Yeah this really is a fantastic deal compared to most other manufacturers. Find me somewhere you can get five "evil knight" cavalry for £37.50, let alone the chariot and the infantry...

Anyone wanting a cheap way in to fantasy tabletop wargaming can go for Dragon Rampant (about £8 delivered from Amazon) and one of these sets, and even grab a hero/wizard/commander mini for a fiver or so from Hasslefree or someone, and still be paying around £50 total.

Dragon Rampant army with the Seraphon set:

Dinosaur thing -- Greater Warbeast (6)
12 Infantry -- heavy foot (4)
6 cavalry -- heavy cavalry (4)
2 cavalry (hero type mini + wizard type mini) -- elite cavalry, Reduced Model Unit, Spellcaster (6+4 = 10)

This probably has too many Toyz and not enough Boyz to be super competitive... but it's a starter set, who cares? It will get you playing a full-size 24-point game of DR, assuming your opponent also has an army. Add some cheap Skinks for scouts or Light Missiles and you even have some varied lists.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Yeah this really is a fantastic deal compared to most other manufacturers. Find me somewhere you can get five "evil knight" cavalry for £37.50, let alone the chariot and the infantry...

Anyone wanting a cheap way in to fantasy tabletop wargaming can go for Dragon Rampant (about £8 delivered from Amazon) and one of these sets, and even grab a hero/wizard/commander mini for a fiver or so from Hasslefree or someone, and still be paying around £50 total.

There's a sorcerer lord in the Slaves to Darkness box already - it's human-sized, so easy to miss. Consider your nits picked

Totally agree with you about the usefulness of these boxes for ANY game - Dragon Rampant is the easiest, an army in a box! But also starters for Kings of War or SlightlyOldhammer. The Fantasy boxes seem more amenable to multiple purchases than the 40k ones - the command figure is either one of the cheaper parts of the set or easily repurposed.

At that Dark Sphere price, it's a case of "what do I want to do with all this stuff?". My Skitarii box is on the way - 35% savings off retail for the Onager and Dominus that I want AND I get a box of FREE Skitarii that I can do... something... with.

Can anyone who has the 40K Demons codex tell me about how many points are in the AoS Demons boxes? It would be a huge help

360 for khorne, and 310 for Nurgle. Can do about 30-100 points of upgrades with champions/icons/musicians on both sets.

Got my space marine box, and the terminator captain's assembly instructions are on a clampack size/style piece of paper - does anyone know if he came with this in the strike force ultra box? Or is this an indicator that he might be available separately soon...?

 Nicky J wrote:
Got my space marine box, and the terminator captain's assembly instructions are on a clampack size/style piece of paper - does anyone know if he came with this in the strike force ultra box? Or is this an indicator that he might be available separately soon...?

I can't find any confirmation one way or another, but that is also how Shadow Captain Solaq came in Shadow Force Solaq as well. I think that is just how they are doing things now. Captain Karlaen and Krom Dragongaze did not come that way in their respective boxed sets.

 Lord of Deeds wrote:
Sorry if already asked, but is there anything in the Nurgle or Khorne sets that you cannot use in 40K?

You can use everything in these boxes also for 40k.

Opened the Skitarri box to find that the points/stats for all the models are on the assembly sheets.

Anyone with sense at GW should do a store bundle of two start collecting boxes and a mini softback rule book for £100 offer.

Next week is more "New Year, New Army" -- I wonder what armies will come next!

 Talys wrote:
Next week is more "New Year, New Army" -- I wonder what armies will come next!

Oh? Is that what the new White Dwarf says?

If so, expect the following:
Dark Angels (probably an Interrogator Chaplain and some dudes, with a Land Speeder or something)
Blood Angels (Sanguinary Priest, Karlaen, or Jump Chaplain, some Tactical Marines, Assault Marines, or Death Company, and a Furioso Dread)
Orks (Grukk and some dudes, probably some Killa Kans to clear stock)
Space Wolves (Krom, some Grey Hunters, and either the Dreadnought or some TWC)
Eldar (Autarch or Warlock/Farseer, some Guardians, and something like whatever their attack jetbike is called)
Dark Eldar (Archon or Succubus, some Kalabites or Wyches, and a Venom)
Stormcast Eternals (Relictor, some Liberators, and some Paladins) Who knows, they could even just rebox some of the Starter Set

Chaos Space Marines don't get one because GW hates them.

 Talys wrote:
Next week is more "New Year, New Army" -- I wonder what armies will come next!

Cool! If we end up with an Ork, Dark Eldar and Eldar release then January could end up being a busy and expensive month of mini painting!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Chaos Space Marines don't get one because GW hates them.

That sure is a funny way to spell Sisters Of Battle.

Games Workshop doesn't hate SoB.
You can't hate something you don't remember exists.

 skoffs wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Chaos Space Marines don't get one because GW hates them.

That sure is a funny way to spell Sisters Of Battle.

I don't even count SoB as a current army. They have been squatted, GW just can't be bothered to make it official. CSM are a core army of the entire system and lore, GW just hates doing anything with them.

It's the little things I like.

These wound markers came with my delivery.



Even numbers on the back.

That's pretty cool!

 Talys wrote:
Next week is more "New Year, New Army" -- I wonder what armies will come next!

I'm curious to see what starter sets will be released.
As they should replace the battle boxes, I expect to see also one for CSM.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Games Workshop doesn't hate SoB.
You can't hate something you don't remember exists.

I personally liked the way they had Squats in Visions this month.

I do wonder if squats are the next 40k desperate rabbit out a hat. They've made Primarchs, they plastic'd 30k stuff. I bet squats do a return before SoB.

I don't play Tau, but like the range a bit - anybody care to share the ballpark points of that box?