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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I don't know why you guys are worried about the rules. Assuming this thing even gets 7th Ed rules they're not going to be the same as FW's ones.

Agreed. It will need to come with its own rules to even be usable. GW doesn't count on players using the FW rules ever (hence why Tartaros Terminators received complete rules in their box).

morgoth wrote:
Has anyone ever had GW plastic warped, if so on which kits?

Lots on Tau stuff. Hammerheads (especially those damn railguns), the old crisis suits, etc. And, unlike resin, it's a lot harder to straighten out those warped parts.

I wonder though, as the Thunderhawk is in the current Apocalypse book at the moment.

And it has a souped-up battle cannon these days, with a larger blast. Taking a turbo-laser is a 60-something points upgrade for it.

 Peregrine wrote:

morgoth wrote:
Has anyone ever had GW plastic warped, if so on which kits?

Lots on Tau stuff. Hammerheads (especially those damn railguns), the old crisis suits, etc. And, unlike resin, it's a lot harder to straighten out those warped parts.

Anything recent? Isn't the Hammerhead like a decade old?

I have had warped GW kits, bit I haven't really been buying GW recently and from what people have said they've improved. Warpage is something that can be fixed, just because old GW kits had warpage doesn't mean newer ones have to.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Anything recent? Isn't the Hammerhead like a decade old?

The first Codex Tau was released in 2001, so its more like a decade and a half old.

Haters gotta hate, eh?

The latest big kits I assembled where the SW dread and Stormwolf. No warpage, no gaps, hardly any mold lines.

As a nerd that enjoys 1/35 scale armoured kits from the likes of Dragon and Takom along with Aircraft kits from the likes of Tamiya I'll be all over this Thunderbird* when it lands.

I'll be leaving that silly looking cannon off though, it's an ott element of the 80's that can stay in the box!

*Tempted to paint it green and splatter a big yellow '2' on the side!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Like I said, the Thunderhawk being used in the game hinders the game, because the rules are so badly in need of an overhaul.

The game is unplayable regardless of Thunderhawks.

Odd. Every Friday evening me and 20 other people must step into an LGS in alternate Earth.

Do you also, like, whip yourselves, pull out your nails and such? I mean, all those things are also technically doable, just like playing a game of 40k, but similarly I just can't imagine why anyone would want to.

Careful now, don't cut yourself on that edge. 40k isn't that bad. Sure, it's a mess and the rules are bloated, but for two competent players, it's pretty easy to go through

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Anything recent?

Most recent would be the Chimera, Valkyrie and LRBT kits. There were fewer warped parts (though no long thin parts like the Hammerhead's railgun that would warp easily), but still a lot of mold lines and gaps to fill. The impression I get from it is that it's a deliberate design choice to have loose tolerances so that the kit will still go together when assembled by a clueless newbie who can't align everything perfectly, with the price being larger gaps that more perfectionist customers have to fill. Maybe this has changed with the newer kits, but pretty much all of GW's newer releases look like garbage and I'm not going to waste my money on them to find out.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I don't know why you guys are worried about the rules. Assuming this thing even gets 7th Ed rules they're not going to be the same as FW's ones.

Yeah, it's likely to have the rules GW has already done for it.
~700pts 9 hp with 6 one-use Battle Cannons, a massive blast Battle Cannon, 4 twin Heavy Bolters and 2 Lascannons.
With a 90 point Large Blast D weapons to replace the Massive Battle Cannon and a 60pt upgrade to replace all one-use Battle Cannons with 6 S6 AP4 Heavy 6 One Use Bombs!


Those are it's rules from Escalation btw.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
6 one-use Battle Cannons

Much worse than that. The hellstrike missiles are single-shot ordnance weapons, not blast weapons.

 Peregrine wrote:
Most recent would be the Chimera, Valkyrie and LRBT kits.

Those really aren't that recent either. The Valk came out in, what 2008? 2009?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

morgoth wrote:
Has anyone ever had GW plastic warped, if so on which kits?

Lots on Tau stuff. Hammerheads (especially those damn railguns), the old crisis suits, etc. And, unlike resin, it's a lot harder to straighten out those warped parts.

Anything recent? Isn't the Hammerhead like a decade old?

I have had warped GW kits, bit I haven't really been buying GW recently and from what people have said they've improved. Warpage is something that can be fixed, just because old GW kits had warpage doesn't mean newer ones have to.

The Corvus Blackstar doesn't have warpage, but in some cases bits of the hull seemed to have mold slips.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
6 one-use Battle Cannons

Much worse than that. The hellstrike missiles are single-shot ordnance weapons, not blast weapons.

I could have sworn they had Large Blast.

Well, it's even worse than I thought.

But really if they are doing a plastic thunderhawk.. and with talk that 8th ed is close by... who knows what its rules will be

And, to be clear, I'm not saying that GW's plastic kits are bad, just that the idea that resin takes tons of work and plastic can be built in a few minutes is not at all accurate. No matter what the material is you're going to be spending some time cleaning up things that aren't quite perfect if you want the finished product to look good.

 Peregrine wrote:
And, to be clear, I'm not saying that GW's plastic kits are bad, just that the idea that resin takes tons of work and plastic can be built in a few minutes is not at all accurate. No matter what the material is you're going to be spending some time cleaning up things that aren't quite perfect if you want the finished product to look good.

Yeah, Land Raiders aren't a dream to assemble. I know they are older kits but still. I have never had one that goes together without a lot of work and they still have gaps.

 Peregrine wrote:
....just that the idea that resin takes tons of work and plastic can be built in a few minutes is not at all accurate. No matter what the material is you're going to be spending some time cleaning up things that aren't quite perfect if you want the finished product to look good.

We're aware of that.... but the vast majority of people I think would sooner be filling relatively minor gaps in plastic and cleaning some plastic mould lines than trying to get 4 warped resin halves of a 500mm long hull section to fit together and then attaching a gun that has erectile dysfunction.

Plastic needs work to make it look good, resin needs work to make it look good.... but on a relative scale plastic is almost always less of a hassle. I certainly never consider using power tools on plastic model clean up like I do on resin model clean up

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I don't know why you guys are worried about the rules. Assuming this thing even gets 7th Ed rules they're not going to be the same as FW's ones.

Yeah, it's likely to have the rules GW has already done for it.
~700pts 9 hp with 6 one-use Battle Cannons, a massive blast Battle Cannon, 4 twin Heavy Bolters and 2 Lascannons.
With a 90 point Large Blast D weapons to replace the Massive Battle Cannon and a 60pt upgrade to replace all one-use Battle Cannons with 6 S6 AP4 Heavy 6 One Use Bombs!


Those are it's rules from Escalation btw.

Gw rules follow the parts in the kit. Remember they make models first then rules. I expect like most recent kits at least two completely different setups and if they are feeling extra spicy two names like "thunderhawk" and "thunderhawk prime". Just. Because why make people buy one model when you can make them buy 2. And thus you end up with a remade model with a bunch of new rules.

On the topic of gw newer kits the imperial knight is the newest one I've built and it's amazing. Almost no seems, multiple moveable joints, tons of options and ability to pose it in multiple stances. Magnetizing could have been made easier but it's doable.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Most recent would be the Chimera, Valkyrie and LRBT kits.

Those really aren't that recent either. The Valk came out in, what 2008? 2009?

I think those kits are all around the 2009-2010 era.

FWIW I do remember parts of my Valk being warped, but it was the sort of warping that you just needed to jig it up right when you glue it and it's fine.

For all the plastic vehicles I've built from a few different companies, the only ones that had warpage I couldn't fix through careful gluing was some Airfix kit fuselages, they were so badly warped I couldn't get the two halves to line up and had to bend them back. Everything else I've just lined up the model, applied some glue, held it together for a minute or two and it's been fine.

Yeah my resin Stormblade nearly drove me up the wall. Meanwhile I can nearly put the plastic Baneblade kit together in my sleep. And that kit ain't new either.

 Peregrine wrote:
And, to be clear, I'm not saying that GW's plastic kits are bad, just that the idea that resin takes tons of work and plastic can be built in a few minutes is not at all accurate. No matter what the material is you're going to be spending some time cleaning up things that aren't quite perfect if you want the finished product to look good.

Well i don't know if people had trouble with the recent space wolf flyer the flying shoe-box, the Thunderhawk is just a bigger version of that.

Good lord, genestealer cults come back, sisters make an appearance, the T-hawk may actually come in plastic.

What's next, squats?

...or a starter set without Marines?

 Stormonu wrote:
Good lord, genestealer cults come back, sisters make an appearance, the T-hawk may actually come in plastic.

What's next, squats?

...or a starter set without Marines?

Hey.

Hey now.

There's heresy, and then there's HERSY.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah my resin Stormblade nearly drove me up the wall. Meanwhile I can nearly put the plastic Baneblade kit together in my sleep. And that kit ain't new either.

The Banebladecis actually is a really nice kit. I think it has to do with hiw thick most of the pieces are. It's a sturdy beast. I still need to assemble my Shadowsword kit and do the full magnetization on it.

 Stormonu wrote:


What's next, squats?

Uh, they are here. Kharadron Overlords. Very little conversion (weapons) needed!

What's next a plastic IG regiment that doesn't look like crud or cost more than a new car?

(crickets chirp, tumbleweed blows by)

DORN!!!

Way to go HBMC, reset the counter.

I have a friend thats stsrting Imp Fists, and im sure he will be sad. :p