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Made in us
Courageous Questing Knight





Central Cimmeria

I hope so, but they sure bungled that original survey. I think they relaunched it three times.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





ya. that clearly didn't help and probably cost them a good number of votes especially after the second one failed.


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EDIT: Yep. They're already reconsidering reprints of other items. Should be something in a few days on this.

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Longtime Dakkanaut





So Fred posted this in facebook via a group about monolith's games about them not repriting the expansions right away:



Thanks. We are reading complaints. I can understand some of them. But peoples tend to forgot that we had to destroy 6000 english expansions in china when FFG deleted its order in 2016, because peoples were not interested by buying this expansions at this time. The minimum on quantity for printing them is 1500 ex per expansion in the factory and it s way more than the number of wishs of our survey. Speaking of the survey and the reprint, we are actually way under the quantity peoples annouced they would pledge. So we will actually lose money on some items people told us they would buy for sure.

   
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Terrifying Doombull





Melbourne .au

Is he fething complaining less than 12 hours after opening the PM that he's going to lose money because he's "sold" way under the amount of product that he estimated for??

Or am I reading all this wrong? I hope I am reading/undertanding it all wrong.

   
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Incorporating Wet-Blending





No, this is normally how he writes. He's transparent, but could write less defensively. And, no, I've been following the Conan KS as well as anyone else, and didn't know that expansions were destroyed. I do know that this happens often, including outside of boardgaming, but had to read an article about estimating plastic injection costs to find out.

With KS requiring projects to have new content, I dunno what creators can best do to reprint expansions when they need a minimum order and want to not lose money. Even before KS, GMT has a P500 preordering system, where customers vote on which products GMT produces. Maybe Fred Henry could cheat like CMON did with their Time Vault by offering a new soundtrack with the reprint. Petersen Games essentially ran a KS for each language variant of Cthulhu Wars, so Monolith could possibly run a KS for each expansion reprint.

Backers are upset, but I don't think there's a good solution when demand outstrips supply, yet there's not enough demand for the company to risk another print run. Take too many risks, and the company may go out of business.

https://www.gmtgames.com/s-2-p500.aspx

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I'm not going to get into another argument with someone who thinks the way *they* paint is the *only* way to paint, am I?? 
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Since he's saying backers have ordered less of the reprinting items than they said they would in they survey i'm afraid that may, in part, be down to his choice of pledge manager

I was unable to add some of the reprint material although I tried but the PM just wouldn't let me (and I bet I wasn't the only one)

and since I missed out on all of the big three expansions i'm probably not going to go back and try again, a leas not yet, I need the sadness to subside a bit first

(not that there is anything they could have done about limited items not being enough to meet demand if that wasn't enough to cover a minimum order)

(and perhaps a better contract with Asmodee could have at least made them responsible for production costs if they cancelled their order)

 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut




I was able to add everything but I’m still back and forth in the dragon mostly because they are redoing a new version for the next Kickstarter red nails expansions.

The other thing is there is plenty of time to order this stuff as the pledge manager is due to stay open a while
   
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Courageous Questing Knight





Central Cimmeria

To figure out actual demand they could just run a pre-order that required people to put down money and then refund money for items that didn't clear the number threshold.

I'm sure that there are many people who decided not to order anything after they found out they couldn't order the things they wanted.
   
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Battlefield Professional




Nottingham, England

To only backed to go in on the PM but those UK shipping costs are eye watering.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





 ced1106 wrote:
No, this is normally how he writes. He's transparent, but could write less defensively. And, no, I've been following the Conan KS as well as anyone else, and didn't know that expansions were destroyed. I do know that this happens often, including outside of boardgaming, but had to read an article about estimating plastic injection costs to find out.

With KS requiring projects to have new content, I dunno what creators can best do to reprint expansions when they need a minimum order and want to not lose money. Even before KS, GMT has a P500 preordering system, where customers vote on which products GMT produces. Maybe Fred Henry could cheat like CMON did with their Time Vault by offering a new soundtrack with the reprint. Petersen Games essentially ran a KS for each language variant of Cthulhu Wars, so Monolith could possibly run a KS for each expansion reprint.

Backers are upset, but I don't think there's a good solution when demand outstrips supply, yet there's not enough demand for the company to risk another print run. Take too many risks, and the company may go out of business.

https://www.gmtgames.com/s-2-p500.aspx


I agree. Fred is not one that's very good and holding back his thoughts or information. He's not mean about it but it does come off as defensive a lot. But I wasn't really posting due to the current low purchase numbers as that's Fred being Fred and was only one day into the PM.

I hadn't known about the 9k boxes being destroyed and it's been confirmed by other people (employees and non-employees that were on the Monolith Forums at the time Fred originally talked about it) as there's talk about how poor the game sold back in the day but seeing the orders from the expansion dropped by 3000 each one is quite a large amount. There's some massive wining in one of the two Facebook groups (the one that looks official but isn't where this quote) that Monolith lied about expansion availability, that it was false advertising and that they didn't tell people ever that they were limited. I can't think of how many times all that was stated but there's a decent size group of people reacting worse to this then any other similar thing (black Friday or CMoN timemachine). Maybe because it's a more niche product? There was one guy seriously trying to convince the Conan Monolith Facebook group to not be about Monolith games because of this.

Gallahad wrote:To figure out actual demand they could just run a pre-order that required people to put down money and then refund money for items that didn't clear the number threshold.

I'm sure that there are many people who decided not to order anything after they found out they couldn't order the things they wanted.


They're working at reprinting them later on with more content Seams like Fred is really wary of the expansions and Matt's plan to reintroduce them with the next campaign with more scenarios (solo/co-op added) is what convinced him. But we'll have to see what becomes of them.


TwilightSparkles wrote:To only backed to go in on the PM but those UK shipping costs are eye watering.


Yea Brexit! But I've seen some price comparisons on Facebook and ya, the UK stuff sucks but at least your not iceland where it's like 100 euros to ship or something around there.

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

THE LIMITED QUANTITIES ITEMS: -

Items in the Pledge manager oversold. We own that! alongside Game On TableTop.

We are working to ensure that we deal with this oversell situation as FAIRLY AND AS QUICKLY as possible.

We wish to find solutions and ask for your patience while doing so.

In the worst possible scenario we will fully refund any oversold item at 100% + additional compensation.

On a positive note we had NOT included ALL the copies of our Limited quantity stock.

We had set aside an amount to deal with contingencies, so we can say that the oversell in most cases is not as dramatic as it may have appeared on the pledge manager.

The addition of the contingency stock has already significantly reduced the number of items effected.

We are preparing an item by item overview and once we have finalized our research will be able to clarify which items still remain a challenge.

In order to facilitate this overall reduction, we will move items of inventory from one distribution hub to another, while checking with every distribution hub globally to access their inventories.

Including our US and EU based inventory held at mass market retail warehouses. No stone will be unturned in order to maximize the reduction of the oversell, these numbers may be small, but they will have an impact.

The instructions to provide an accurate inventory went out to our global distribution hubs on Friday and we are eagerly awaiting those responses.

We anticipate being in a position to have final numbers of available inventory and be able to begin the process of determining who did and who did not make the cut in the near future with a view to making any decisions known no laterthan early June, if not earlier.

To repeat any oversold item will be refunded at 100% and additional compensation.

The method of verification will be the transaction date stamp.

We will continue to keep you updated on a regular basis – as we resolve this challenge.


well I guess I dodged a bullet by not getting any of the limited stock, i'd be very sad to have won the race and then have it taken away (although Monolith look to be handling it as best as they can and offering compensation too is a good touch)

I suspect the best way to handle this sort of scramble in the future is NOT to tell backers when the PM is launching beyond a 'sometime in the next month' and stick the limited stuff up at a random point during the month. People that really want stuff will keep checking, the less committed won't, and once the stuff is up word will spread, but hopefully slow enough that the software can cope

 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





I suggested a lottery when they first said they were planning on selling limited stock. That's really the only fair way but probably something they didn't want to do due to not having a webstore or way to sell these to winners outside of like paypal.
   
 
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