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Thx @all for help =)

For 8th edition, is it clear what counts as aura ability for the uplink stratagem? Could we take out saviour protocols?

And another question, i guess atm and with the magos trait, icarus and cawl are better then neutronlaser?

Yes its clear - Theres an YMDC thread on the topic.



Depends on target. The neutron laser is high variability but is our best anti-tank

The icarus will outperform it vs flyers and infantry but most of our lists have alternative ways to kill infantry.

Thx for the notice with the YMDC thread, nice, right placed the shut down gem is quite powerfull.


Ya the neutron laser is swingy as hell =/

May i play in this game 1 icarus and 1 neutron, it will be a game with "hard" lists, but still a test game

I'm waiting/hoping for an faq/errata for EW, but putting 10 Sykstalkers in a Dunerider makes getting them within bomb-flyover range super easy, probably more reliable for Sterylizors as well.

Pop 10 Skyraptors in a Dunerider, then when you get them closer you have the option for them to pop out of a transport and soar away if you need them elsewhere tactically. Or if there's a suitably safe target fly-over bombing run, WoM if that's your thing or even the -1 to hit strat. Or just pepper some chaff. Both Raiders and Skyraptors seem like brilliant harassment with a couple of tools to keep your opponent guessing.

given a FB comment i saw, i am guessing that servo skull is a primaris techmarine and not a late admech character.
Could be wrong, but that FB comment rings in my head louder than a siren right now.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
given a FB comment i saw, i am guessing that servo skull is a primaris techmarine and not a late admech character.
Could be wrong, but that FB comment rings in my head louder than a siren right now.

Even though it's identical to a dominus servo skull? I guess they would be similar but man do we need a fully useful HQ. Marine players don't even need or use Techmarines, except to baby sit artillery lol

I'd be highly suspect of any possible additional Admech, deffo a Primaris TechMarine... or if it's a surprise, it's a surprise IG or Inquisitor guy.

On topic, I've been mulling the Stratoraptor around in my head after seeing the new flyer rules. If there are FAQ points fixes coming (also remembering there are point adjustments for everything coming in 9th so our expensive gunboat might end up being normalized) I kind of feel like the Stratoraptor becomes really flexible and useful. Thoughts?

Yeah but marines past like 10 releases have been stuff they didnt need or even have any right to get, yet got anyway.
They get literally every tactic, i wouldnt be surprised if they get their version of the daemon pact at some point (whatever its called where a character kills a character it rolls 2D6 and something happens)

Projecting pts past ninth is pointless till we know. The strato has the most functional rules. Ergo it is the most likely to be playable but pts make or break it.

Plus we will have less pts overall so the scope for fun options drops

There are just too many factions that use servo skulls to be able to assume it's an AM release.

Now I look at it, could be a new Enginseer, looks more like an Enginseer servo skull than a Dominus one.

Not many factions non-character models have servo-skulls modelled with additional aerials and such. I went through the GW store and couldn't find any model other than Enginseer, Cawl, Dominus and one Primaris Captain in Phobos armour with a modelled sero-skull. None on techmarines, apothecaries, chaplains, dreadnaughts, inquisitors, nothing.

That doesn't mean a new model cant have one of course but precedence is set for it to be a tech-adept of some sort. Even a Lord Discordant don't have a servo skull lol

I'm holding hope against hope that it will finally be some kind of Skitarii HQ.

I'd be stoked if they gave us a cheap Skitarii HQ, perhaps with a phosphor blast carbine and a pre game ability to reposition himself and d3 other skitarii infantry units before the game began.

PiñaColada wrote:
I'd be stoked if they gave us a cheap Skitarii HQ, perhaps with a phosphor blast carbine and a pre game ability to reposition himself and d3 other skitarii infantry units before the game began.

Nah Id be stoked if they gave us an expensive HQ that is to be feared. a phosphor carbine doesnt really do much

They should just give ad mech a normal primaris biker as an HQ choice, he'd be scarier than anything they have right now.

the funny bit about that is all the marine players i know are going "yeah the primaris biker is kinda meh" - 2 of them are big tournament players.
Talk about spoiled children army....

When you have 6-model aggressor squads for 220 points that can put out 140 shots, and they aren't even considered one of the best units in the codex, lots of stuff looks pretty meh.

PiñaColada wrote:
I'd be stoked if they gave us a cheap Skitarii HQ, perhaps with a phosphor blast carbine and a pre game ability to reposition himself and d3 other skitarii infantry units before the game began.

Personal wishlisting:
Any Primus or Secutarii Axiarch(would TOTALLY count! they wouldn't have <Forge World> tags, but would still be a Big Deal as a Skitarii HQ) should have some kind of weird, archaic weaponry rather than just a Vanguard weapon.

What we know with regards to the Alpha Primus lore is that:
a) They exhibit traits of the Skitarii 'sect'(for lack of a better term) they were brought up from. Ranger based ones were super paranoid and marksmen with strange tics. Vanguard based ones could not be approached by non-Vanguard or vehicles because they were that dang radioactive and were used for radwar protocols.
b) They're able to operate on their own for lengthy periods of time and can enable Skitarii or Servitors to do the same.

Getting a semi-customizable(ala Marine Lieutenants) unit that can do such would be...interesting.

 Hesselhof wrote:
For 8th edition, is it clear what counts as aura ability for the uplink stratagem? Could we take out saviour protocols?

And another question, i guess atm and with the magos trait, icarus and cawl are better then neutronlaser?

As far as we can tell, both in RAW and RAI, anything on a data sheet with a "within range" requirement is an aura. This has apparently been backed up by both FLG and NOVA. (People applying a very narrow definition of "aura" as some buff that is applied around a character model is basically basing this on their impression of how auras work from Warcraft, not Warhammer.)

Anyhow, keep in mind that it also shuts down things like TFCs; you can force them to come out of cover by parking nearby. Very low-key OP.

Thx @suzuteo

What do you mean with shut down a thunderfire cannon

No operator cant operate so cant fire alternatively if your that close just shoot the character



Yes saviour protocols is shut down

Ha lol right, TFC must be in range to techmarine XD

i got a failure of thinking lol, k thats cool^^

 Hesselhof wrote:
Ha lol right, TFC must be in range to techmarine XD

i got a failure of thinking lol, k thats cool^^

you can also kill it useng crewed artilery rule. - if the tech marine is within range but the gun isn't . the crewed artillery rule says there must be a there be a gunner within 6" but the aura is blocked from applying to that gunner.

note if you also block the gun itself the rule doesnt apply at all so it stays alive

 Kanluwen wrote:

PiñaColada wrote:
I'd be stoked if they gave us a cheap Skitarii HQ, perhaps with a phosphor blast carbine and a pre game ability to reposition himself and d3 other skitarii infantry units before the game began.

Personal wishlisting:
Any Primus or Secutarii Axiarch(would TOTALLY count! they wouldn't have <Forge World> tags, but would still be a Big Deal as a Skitarii HQ) should have some kind of weird, archaic weaponry rather than just a Vanguard weapon.

What we know with regards to the Alpha Primus lore is that:
a) They exhibit traits of the Skitarii 'sect'(for lack of a better term) they were brought up from. Ranger based ones were super paranoid and marksmen with strange tics. Vanguard based ones could not be approached by non-Vanguard or vehicles because they were that dang radioactive and were used for radwar protocols.
b) They're able to operate on their own for lengthy periods of time and can enable Skitarii or Servitors to do the same.

Getting a semi-customizable(ala Marine Lieutenants) unit that can do such would be...interesting.

b) sounds an awful lot like that EW short story where everyone that got too close to the super-special Skitarii vanguard 'melted' but that could also have been the Varlian Device.

Would be nice to be able to 'upgrade' any Alpha or Princeps to have some sort of useful aura for CP. Or maybe even if you take a squad of 10 you can upgrade the Alpha...or just pay points like wargear or something.

U02dah4 wrote:

 Hesselhof wrote:
Ha lol right, TFC must be in range to techmarine XD

i got a failure of thinking lol, k thats cool^^

you can also kill it useng crewed artilery rule. - if the tech marine is within range but the gun isn't . the crewed artillery rule says there must be a there be a gunner within 6" but the aura is blocked from applying to that gunner.

note if you also block the gun itself the rule doesnt apply at all so it stays alive

Backwards.

There must be a gunner within 6" of the gun is an aura from the gun, not the gunner. And Operated Artillery os 3" from the gunner.

Also not sure if this it truely an "Aura ability", or if it is more like unit coherency. Both rules also dpuble-speak the interdependence of the models, referencing it backwards at the end of the rule

check the ymdc thread if you want to expand on this but ill summarise its conclusions- yes it is an aura- the cewed artillery aura is from the gun the operated artillery is from the gunner- it either is an aura or it isn't, these are.


the stratagem shuts down auras in the area around the aircraft. NOT the auras projected by models within range of the aircraft.
wholey within auras don't effect models partially overlapping with the strategems aura
not wholey within auras still effect models unless their whole base is covered by the strategem



So if the gun is completely overlapped by the planes aura neither aura effect it and it cant fire but it is not removed

If the gun aura is active (atleast part of its base is not covered by the strategem) but the gunner is wholey within the stratagems range. then the aura doesnt apply in the area around the gunner and when the guns aura can't find it it activates and kills the gun

If the gun is completely covered by the strategem but the gunner is not. the gun is not removed as crewed artillery aura is not in effected but it cant fire because the gunners aura disableing operated artillery cant find the gun

Octovol wrote:
Now I look at it, could be a new Enginseer, looks more like an Enginseer servo skull than a Dominus one.

Not many factions non-character models have servo-skulls modelled with additional aerials and such. I went through the GW store and couldn't find any model other than Enginseer, Cawl, Dominus and one Primaris Captain in Phobos armour with a modelled sero-skull. None on techmarines, apothecaries, chaplains, dreadnaughts, inquisitors, nothing.

That doesn't mean a new model cant have one of course but precedence is set for it to be a tech-adept of some sort. Even a Lord Discordant don't have a servo skull lol

Imperial Guard have some in our command squad boxes. I know the stormtroopers have one for a fact and I'm 99% certain Cadian command has one. Also remember the odd servo skull pops up in regular boxes from time to time. I want to say terminators have one for example, been a while since I've seen their sprue.

Technically servo skulls are all over the Imperium. Trying to guess who it is without some sort of icon on the skull would be like us trying to guess a what office someone works at by what their stapler looks like.

Overwatch is a 1cp stratagem now.
That....kinda royally messes with things. And greatly concerns me. Those perks that boost overwatch were never considered amazing in the first place and now theyre even less enticing as they cost cp to actually benefit from.

i'm fine with limiting overwatch to promote melee heavy armies multi-charging instead of daisy-chaining, but did it have to actually cost a cp?

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Overwatch is a 1cp stratagem now.
That....kinda royally messes with things. And greatly concerns me. Those perks that boost overwatch were never considered amazing in the first place and now theyre even less enticing as they cost cp to actually benefit from.

i'm fine with limiting overwatch to promote melee heavy armies multi-charging instead of daisy-chaining, but did it have to actually cost a cp?

*listens to the chorus of praise to the Omnisiah from all the Fulgurite Electro-Priests.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Overwatch is a 1cp stratagem now.
That....kinda royally messes with things. And greatly concerns me. Those perks that boost overwatch were never considered amazing in the first place and now theyre even less enticing as they cost cp to actually benefit from.

i'm fine with limiting overwatch to promote melee heavy armies multi-charging instead of daisy-chaining, but did it have to actually cost a cp?

I'm fine with it costing cp, just all those overwatch on a 5+ abilities need to be improved drastically or they're next to worthless. Especially given infantry in defensible terrain now get to shoot overwatch at 5+ for free.