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If you pick a 1-handed weapon, and take an addition CCW and a tormentor helm, does this confer +2 or +1 attacks?

That's be a +1.

However, you could use it to gain an extra attack if say you had an agonizer and poison blades. Normally 2 special CC weapons won't let you get the +1, but the tormentor helm will give you +1... for the agonizer.

+1 attack

I'm pretty certain that having "an additional CCW" confers +1 attack. It doesn't matter how many you might have, you only get +1.

*edit*

Poison Blades never confer an extra attack in CC for having another CCW, its part of the wargear description.

An agonizer is already a CCW, so any additional CCW works with it (splinter pistol, for example).

The best use of the Tormenter Helm is to use a Punisher (two-handed weapon, +1 strength), as this allows you an additional attack in combination, as per the wargear description.

+1, the tormenter helm just acts like a pistol and confers the +1 attack. Doesn't stack

Sorry, didn't mean to imply the Poison blades would get the +1 pistol.

DE don't have the luxury of carring more guns then hands (Bolt pistol, Bolter, Close combat weapon), so the tormentor helm helps out.

Common configs
Punisher + T helm
Agonizer + Poison blades + T Helm.

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I had the same question... plus some.

First, what about this line from the 5e dex?
"Other bonuses: Models may have other special rules
and wargear that confer extra attacks."

Does it not matter that the T.helm is wargear when used by anything other than an incubi, or does the "more than 2 weapons" line take precedence?

Also, from the fluff, the t.helm is thought controlled, worn on the head, and could be fired with 10 hands tied behind your back while you were blindfolded and flipped upside down inside of a giant cupcake. What difference would it matter that you had an agoniser and a splinter pistol in your hands rather than a punisher? It would be fired regardless.

So all of that, but it only confers an extra cc attack, but not if you have 2 cc weapons already? Seems a little silly.

ThePhish wrote:Does it not matter that the T.helm is wargear when used by anything other than an incubi, or does the "more than 2 weapons" line take precedence?

As the Tormentor Helm is specifically granting the bonus as an extra weapon, the 2 weapon line takes precedence.

If it simply said that it gave the wearer an additional attack in close combat, or gave the bearer a special attack like the SM Servo arm, that would be a different story.

To add to that: Mandiblasters are very similar to a T.helm. They confer an extra attack for Striking Scorpions, who already get the +1 attack for having 2 close combat weapons.
Does the wording of the Tormentor Helm somehow imply that the extra attack is due to having an extra CCW, instead of just saying +1 attack?

edit: Insaniak just answered my question, thanks :-D

Ok. I'm appeased. I'll leave the thread alone. Thanks.

+1. It operates as a splinter pistol.

InventionThirteen wrote:+1. It operates as a splinter pistol.

2 months late there, champ.

Old thread, already answered.

Now closed.

You forgot to lock it, Alphie

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