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Prob been covered but any ideas on how to kill the deceiver with ultra marines?? Got ideas love to hear them got a 2000pt list and every model under the rainbow so shoot.

Sternguard rapid fire hellfire (wound on 2+) backed by Librarian with null zone running? (can't remember if deciever has a normal armour save).

Well, at the RTT last Saturday I killed the Deceiver via sniper rifles, lascannons and assault cannons.

Mass high-strength fire. Deciever only has a 4+ inv save, toughness 8. Assault cannons should do the trick, or cc instant death.

Sternguard with a Drop Pod and Libby. Drop first turn, cast Null Zone, Rapid fire with Hellfire rounds. Twenty Hellfires rounds, wound on a 2+, and null zone make him reroll his 4+ inv. saves it's not hard to put 5 wounds a C'Tan.

The face a necron player make when you "one-shot" his 360 or 300 point model is priceless


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liquidjoshi wrote:or cc instant death.

huh?

Dont assault the deciever! Just shoot it with everything. Dont bother using things like lascannons as they have a 50/50 chance of saving everything. Just hit it with every 6+ strength weapon you have!

liquidjoshi wrote:or cc instant death.

How do you CC ID a T8 model?

Dashofpepper wrote:

liquidjoshi wrote:or cc instant death.

How do you CC ID a T8 model?

That one had me scratching my head as well. Nemesis force weapons? Isnt a C'Tan immune to instant death anyways?

KingCracker wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:

liquidjoshi wrote:or cc instant death.

How do you CC ID a T8 model?

That one had me scratching my head as well. Nemesis force weapons? Isnt a C'Tan immune to instant death anyways?

Chuck Norris would find a way.

The Strange Dude wrote:

KingCracker wrote:

Dashofpepper wrote:

liquidjoshi wrote:or cc instant death.

How do you CC ID a T8 model?

That one had me scratching my head as well. Nemesis force weapons? Isnt a C'Tan immune to instant death anyways?

Chuck Norris would find a way.

Oh god if only I could of gone a DAY without a chuck norris joke

The more saves he has to make the earlies he fails.
All weapons of S5 or higher can take him down.
As said, don't let him charge your army and do not charge him.

The C'Tans are not immune to instant death if I recall correctly. So your best ways are libby with sternguard using hellfire rounds, or if you can get a strength 5 libby and roll a 6 to wound, have him fail a test, and pass your psyk check to force weapon him. The only 2 libbys I know of that do all that reliably are, 1: The Grey Knight equiv to a chapter master (justicar??) or Mephiston from the Blood Angels.

The Grey Knight equiv to a chapter master (justicar??) or Mephiston from the Blood Angels.

A C'tan can instantly kill a GK Master, the Master will have no save available whatsoever.

General_Chaos wrote:Sternguard with a Drop Pod and Libby. Drop first turn, cast Null Zone, Rapid fire with Hellfire rounds. Twenty Hellfires rounds, wound on a 2+, and null zone make him reroll his 4+ inv. saves it's not hard to put 5 wounds a C'Tan.

The face a necron player make when you "one-shot" his 360 or 300 point model is priceless


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liquidjoshi wrote:or cc instant death.

huh?

Never thought it would be that easy...Dare I.. I have to HA HA HA HA HA.. I like it. Thanks a bunch guys.

On a side note, them not being immune to instant death is probably one of the dumbest things in the game. You can argue it however you want, but a guy with an 8 toughness that is a god trapped in physical form and costs 300 or more points should have that honor.

The rules for Ctan are outdated as hell, and there are so few units capable of killing one its not worth worrying about

Arent there some Marine captains that have a deth swing or something. Khan, maybe Sicarius. Im sure its wound on 6's and can be saved so it is a long shot at best. The drop pod of Sternguard does the trick. Only defence for crons is two scarab squads spread out so drop pod cant land within 12". That is of course if you are running lots of scarabs with the Ctan. It can be useful to grab a unit with the scarabs and let the Deciever move in when the scarabs are few in number, or he risks getting pulled down with them.

Massed sniper rifle fire tends to work, too.

Alternatively, ignore the thing and throw all those lovely S8+ instakill weapons at regular necrons and force a phase out. With a C´Tan and (presumably) at least one monolith he can´t have a whole lot of necrons.

Massed sniper rifle fire tends to work, too.

Yeah, but who fields many Snipers these days?
Scouts will hit on 4+ and would on 4+.
Thus with 10 Sniper Scouts there will be 2.5 wounds on average,
one of which will be saved by the Deceiver.

wuestenfux wrote:

The Grey Knight equiv to a chapter master (justicar??) or Mephiston from the Blood Angels.

A C'tan can instantly kill a GK Master, the Master will have no save available whatsoever.

Actually no, the Ctan would have to eat through the retinue before hurting the GK Master, if the GK has HammerHand, he will hit the deciver on a 3+, wound on a 2+ and then you wait for him to fail a save then BAM<

The Strange Dude wrote:Chuck Norris would find a way.

Anyway, as has already been said-shoot it, shoot it, and shoot it some more!!!

wuestenfux wrote:Yeah, but who fields many Snipers these days?
Scouts will hit on 4+ and would on 4+.

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Eldar?

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What?

God willing the Necrons are on an update list somewhere, only rumors I have heard are that all necrons are at least T5, replace WBB with FNP, and that the C'Tan are being taken out of general codex and put into Apocolpse only, which means they will be replaced with something. As I said these are only rumors so who knows. With the way the 5Ed works though, they should be done ahead of Dark Eldar, DE are tricky to use, but have more viable tactics and options then Necrons, the Necrons have become terribly perdectable, monolith spam, or destroyer spam, thats about it for working builds.

Bran Dawri wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:Yeah, but who fields many Snipers these days?
Scouts will hit on 4+ and would on 4+.

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Eldar?

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What?

No Ultra Marines.
Pathfinders could do it better.

The Strange Dude wrote:Sternguard rapid fire hellfire (wound on 2+) backed by Librarian with null zone running? (can't remember if deciever has a normal armour save).

It's an invo, so null zone + sternguard would completely pwn the deceiver.

Sniper rifles or any other always wound on a 4+ also works.

Dumping massive amounts of heavy weapons fire into the deceiver will kill it, but at the cost of loosing a lot of expensive heavy weapons fire on a T8 target with a 4+ invo. Point for point nothing will beat Sterngaurd for dropping the deceiver, so ultra marines shouldn't cry about the deceiver.

A CC CSM army on the other hand, now we get hosed by the deceiver. No sterngaurd, no null zone, no sniper rifles, only a whole lot of CC that has problems with the deceiver. My CSM army has no problem eating sterngaurd like they were grots, but gets wrecked by the deceiver.

Volcano CANNON would do it!....


Some of you are not reading the OP's Subject "Anyone have any tactics for killing the Deceiver with Ultramarines"

Run and hide, cower and cry.

Also, try throwing walnuts at it.

Yes, that alway works.

I have insta killed both star gods in one game with Skulltaker.

G

Deciever is a mostrous creature, does that affect SRs? Otherwise, go for phase out with the rest of the army. Use whirlwinds if they have str8 or higher with blast markers. Not being a marine player, I have no idea how strong whirlwinds are. str8+ blastmarkers will prevent warriors wbb unless there's a res orb in range. You can try throwing meat at the deciever, but he can move freely in and out of combat.


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Ragewind wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:

The Grey Knight equiv to a chapter master (justicar??) or Mephiston from the Blood Angels.

A C'tan can instantly kill a GK Master, the Master will have no save available whatsoever.

Actually no, the Ctan would have to eat through the retinue before hurting the GK Master, if the GK has HammerHand, he will hit the deciver on a 3+, wound on a 2+ and then you wait for him to fail a save then BAM<

Unless the retinue is part of the GK master's squad, the Deciever can move through the retinue and assault the master. Otherwise you're right, he has to kill the retinue first.

Assault cannons and Auto Cannons. How I love autocannons