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Hi. Recently I've come under fire for giving a rhino 2 storm bolters.

query:
"wargear"
Storm bolter

Options:
May take any of the following:
storm bolter
hunterkiller missile

In theory it can have 2 storm bolters, can't it?

Not theory, you can have 2 storm bolters.

Why take two? Incase one gets knocked out?

If one weapon is good then two must be better, right? Double your firepower and all that.

Yes, you can take 2

Well, more Dakka is a reason ... but Spartan Rhinos at minimum cost are a great deal already.

But 4-5 rhinos with 4 bolter shots each can whittle things down well enough.

And its a great way to tidy up loose ends. If your enemies squad only has a few men left and you want to focus the squads fire on a bigger target your rhinos can mop up the stragglers.

Two stormbolters on a Rhino is the same as 4 tac marines shooting their bolters up to 24". Thats good shooting for only an extra 10/15? points

Plus it can be a good spot to dump some of those last few points as you try and get close to the point total for your game. If you have an extra 20 points at the end, giving two rhinos extra bolters may well be the best bang for your points.


Sliggoth

I have started doing this with my chaos rhinos (same rule). You can also have one bolter and one combi-bolter, giving your rhino a little extra punch if you need it.

Who woudl expect a rhino to move up the table and wreck a land raider? lol.

Who woudl expect a rhino to move up the table and wreck a land raider? lol.

Nobody as only a combi-melta would wreck a land raider and you didn't list it in your post.

On this subject I take it the same choice is legal for the Vindicator as it comes with a storm bolter already?

Emmkay: Yup.

I also like HKs as you can move, fire your primary (HK) and all defensive (any bolters).

Praxiss wrote:I have started doing this with my chaos rhinos (same rule). You can also have one bolter and one combi-bolter, giving your rhino a little extra punch if you need it.

Who woudl expect a rhino to move up the table and wreck a land raider? lol.

Combies are good but nothing compares to havoc launchers. Range 48 str 5 ap 5 blast ... its like having a razorback without a drawback.

Emmkay wrote:On this subject I take it the same choice is legal for the Vindicator as it comes with a storm bolter already?

Yeah but it is beyond pointless, as you cannot fire anything except the Demolisher as it is ordnance.

Well I wouldnt say pointless, it can count towards a weapon destroyed result. Other than that, yea why would you NOT want to fire off the vindicator cannon

Always get it for the above reason. When you're running Rhinos (otherwise known as easy KPs) you need all the defense you can get. It really will pay off in the extra shots and in them not being wrecked some of the time.

/shrug.
It's rare the opponent will go through the whole route to kill off a rhino.
In general I would say these are upgrades purchased after everything else is done and you have points left.

K.I.S.S. is what I would follow in regards to Rhinos.

I don't even use Rhinos for my Wolves. LRC and Pods all the way

Gwar! wrote:I don't even use Rhinos for my Wolves. LRC and Pods all the way

I miss drop pods with POTMS ... what idiot thought they'd be useful without being able to shoot when they came down ... might as well leave the guns off them.

I figured the guns were there so that the first "weapon destroyed" result does not destroy the pod. People actually kill things with them?

kirsanth wrote:I figured the guns were there so that the first "weapon destroyed" result does not destroy the pod. People actually kill things with them?

Only use I have EVER had for Drop Pod Weapons is when I land in Difficult terrain by Accident

Emmkay wrote:On this subject I take it the same choice is legal for the Vindicator as it comes with a storm bolter already?

sure it can but it's physical parameters make having more then two impossible.

Emmkay wrote:On this subject I take it the same choice is legal for the Vindicator as it comes with a storm bolter already?

Its less useful on a vindicator, as the rules for Ordenance weapons say that a vehicle firing an ordanance weapon means you can't fire any other weapons from the same vehicle.

I thought pintle mounted could always fire.

So both storm bolter fire what BS do they use??

the BS of the vehicle, oddly enough...

Pika_power wrote:I thought pintle mounted could always fire.

There are no special rules for being pintle-mounted. A pintle-mounted storm bolter is just like any other defensive weapon.

Besides which, the current SM codex doesn't actually define the storm bolters as pintle-mounted anyway.

Doesn't it say somewhere that pintle mountings count as AA mounts? So they hit fliers with their normal BS? I think that is the only advantage of them, other than the 360 degree arc of fire.

@ Tri - yeah, i will be mounting havocs on all my rhinos from now on. I have just ordered a SOB Repressor which i will be converting to a command rhino for my Warmith.





Imagine that in IW colours with a hovoc launcher instead of the flamer on top. Plus with FW extra armour and IW doors. Yummy.

C:CSM vehicle mounted combi bolters may always be fired as long as the vehicle has not moved over 6"

I guess a specific codex rule over-rides general rulebook.
BUTTTT, does it say 'never' fire other weapons under ordinance (don't have rulebook).
If it says never or along those terminal lines then that should over-ride 'always' equivalents.