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iv heard rumors that the new dex will be out early to mid 2010. iv also heard that it might be combined with the Dark Angels codex though this seems unlikely. I started this thread for two reasons:

1. has anyone heard anything definitive about the release date?
2. what changes or improvements are we hoping to see?

the changes id like to see are the same wargear as the ultra-smurfs (ie. 3+ storm sheilds), get rid of tycho and replace him with Moriar the Chosen from 3rd ed., an invuln save for mephiston, keep veteran assault squads instead of sternguard, keep assauly squads as troop. thoughts..?


Title changed by Waaagh_Gonads to correct spelling.

Did you scroll a little bit down the news & rumors page yet?

TBD wrote:Did you scroll a little bit down the news & rumors page yet?

it doesn't matter. now that the mods are allowing (and even posting in) threads that have nothing to do with news or rumors in the news and rumors forum, people don't even bother scrolling down the first page or two to look for a similarly useless thread let alone use the search function dakka provides. although, technically, i guess no one has posted a "what's new with the blood angle codex" thread as this new sanguine geometric force descended possibly from the blood angels is yet to be announced.

warboss wrote:

TBD wrote:Did you scroll a little bit down the news & rumors page yet?

it doesn't matter. now that the mods are allowing (and even posting in) threads that have nothing to do with news or rumors in the news and rumors forum, people don't even bother scrolling down the first page or two to look for a similarly useless thread let alone use the search function dakka provides. although, technically, i guess no one has posted a "what's new with the blood angle codex" thread as this new sanguine geometric force descended possibly from the blood angels is yet to be announced.

I don't get it.

Anyway, the other thread in question is closed, so, I think this one can stay open, if it stays on topic.

Big 'if' there, but still...

The Angry Commissar wrote:
1. has anyone heard anything definitive about the release date?

April.

For real, no joke. It is just for the BA.. actually.. no, that's not quite true... it isn't just the Blood Angels, but it is NOT.. repeat NOT.. being combined with the Dark Angels.. or the Black Templars or any other book.

Some of the new metal models are gorgeous, very detailed.

Jumppacktastic in a lot of ways methinks.

reds8n wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:
1. has anyone heard anything definitive about the release date?

April.

For real, no joke. It is just for the BA.. actually.. no, that's not quite true... it isn't just the Blood Angels, but it is NOT.. repeat NOT.. being combined with the Dark Angels.. or the Black Templars or any other book.

Some of the new metal models are gorgeous, very detailed.

Jumppacktastic in a lot of ways methinks.

No joke?

So not pure BA....some successor lists inside?


Not sure if I should , metal models..and some of them so its maybe another "vanguard/sternguard" style expensive veteran pack.

reds8n wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:
1. has anyone heard anything definitive about the release date?

April.

For real, no joke. It is just for the BA.. actually.. no, that's not quite true... it isn't just the Blood Angels, but it is NOT.. repeat NOT.. being combined with the Dark Angels.. or the Black Templars or any other book.

Some of the new metal models are gorgeous, very detailed.

Jumppacktastic in a lot of ways methinks.

Where did you see this at?

Fleshtearers y'all!

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Flesh_Tearers

One of my favourite chapters (the bestest is Mentors!)

See also:
Angels Encarmine, Angels Sanguine, Angels Vermillion, Blood Drinkers, Flesh Eaters, Lamenters, Blood Legion, Blood Swords, Red Wings

reds8n wrote:

The Angry Commissar wrote:
1. has anyone heard anything definitive about the release date?

April.

For real, no joke. It is just for the BA.. actually.. no, that's not quite true... it isn't just the Blood Angels, but it is NOT.. repeat NOT.. being combined with the Dark Angels.. or the Black Templars or any other book.

Some of the new metal models are gorgeous, very detailed.

Jumppacktastic in a lot of ways methinks.

Goddamn sadist.

reds8n wrote:For real, no joke. It is just for the BA.. actually.. no, that's not quite true... it isn't just the Blood Angels, but it is NOT.. repeat NOT.. being combined with the Dark Angels.. or the Black Templars or any other book.

I don't get it. A combination with something... but not an existing book? Blood Angel-specific battle missions? There was a Death Company mission back in the day! reds8n, You've hinted that the BA are only "half the story" for quite some time now! What gives?

He's hinting at the successor chapters I believe.
Which have been in the beta codex and we assume in the final codex which is due out April.


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Welcome to what has become the Dakka Blood Angel News and Rumours thread.
Got either, or a pic, dump it here.

Why would people honestly think that GW would combine the BA/DA lists into a single codex ala 2nd Edition? The two armies have nothing to do with each other thematically or functionally. Besides, there are no new DA models in the works (at least no rumors of them) so revising their list seems a bit pointless.

Breotan wrote:Why would people honestly think that GW would combine the BA/DA lists into a single codex ala 2nd Edition? The two armies have nothing to do with each other thematically or functionally. Besides, there are no new DA models in the works (at least no rumors of them) so revising their list seems a bit pointless.

To be fair, there was precedence for the idea, and although HMBC and Kid Kyoto whine more than necessary about how Space Marines should just be neatly combined into a single book and have the best parts of them glossed over, Blood Angels and Dark Angels do not divulge so differently from Codex: Space Marines as they are now and could conceivably be combined. And I say this as Blood Angels player. That said, GW has a chance to truly make both chapters different enough to justify a standalone codex.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:He's hinting at the successor chapters I believe.
Which have been in the beta codex and we assume in the final codex which is due out April.

I thought us Dark Angels were the Beta codex.

Breotan wrote:Why would people honestly think that GW would combine the BA/DA lists into a single codex ala 2nd Edition? The two armies have nothing to do with each other thematically or functionally. Besides, there are no new DA models in the works (at least no rumors of them) so revising their list seems a bit pointless.

One reason why people could honestly think that GW would make anthour AoD is because if you look at 5th edtion, especially the 5th edtion codecii, they have a 2nd edtion feel to them. Lots of things in 2nd edtion are making a comeback, so why not AoD? But I am shure AoD has been put to rest of it not happening. I would love it but don't see it happening either.

Keeping DA and BA seperate allows an extra marine codex for the 'marine', 'non marine' GW 40k release schedule.

Back in 2nd edition a codex entitled Angels of Death was released that had the complete rules for both Blood Angels and Dark Angels plus the rules for each chapter were independent of each other. I think that is why some people were hoping they would do the same again this year, plus it's a fairly common belief that Dark Angels pretty much got the shaft when there new codex was released. There was also some speculation the new codex to be released this year might include Templars since there was a rumor floating around about a fleet based chapter would be included. Black Templars are an offshoot of the 1st founding Imperial Fists and do not have a home world... Of course the same can be said about the Dark Angels but for different reasons.

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reds8n wrote:
Some of the new metal models are gorgeous, very detailed.

Jumppacktastic in a lot of ways methinks.

Got any pics or know where we could find any? Otherwise can you line out what you have seen a bit further?

bhsman wrote:To be fair, there was precedence for the idea, and although HMBC and Kid Kyoto whine more than necessary about how Space Marines should just be neatly combined into a single book and have the best parts of them glossed over...

I used to be an advocate for making the codex a rules-only book and cramming as many lists in as feasable, leaving the glorious fluff to the pages of the WD. At least, my theory went, we'd have reason to buy the mag then. Now I'm of the opposite opinion which is good given the rather woeful state of WD these days.

The only reason to combine both armies into a single codex is that you don't have enough "value" in doing them separately. Value being defined as making a profit on the printing run as well as generating revenue from selling more figures. I don't see this as being the case with BA/DA.

Well, I mean, the problem with trying to put Ultramarines (just as an example, not trying to disparage them any more than people do) in the same codex as, say, Space Wolves is that they both use different units to do the same things (Grey Hunters vs Tactical Marines) that have different compositions.

Blood Angels and Dark Angels, on the other hand, both have Tactical Marines, Assault Squads, Devestators...not that I prefer combined books, I'd like them separate to see how GW could make them unique. However, it wouldn't be too out of line to simply put the books together, then add "Dark Angels-only" units such as the Fearless and customizable Deathwing Terminators and Ravenwing Support Squads alongside "Blood Angels-only" units such as the Death Company, Baal Predators, VAS...

It's looking like it won't happen, however. Means the Dark Angels have to wait a bit for vindication, but it'll be worth it when it arrives I believe.

any improvements to the BA you guys are hoping for

-Death Company made optional, or at least made so good and flexible that you'd be a fool not to take them anyways. Essentially the Grey Hunters of a Blood Angels codex

-All-Jump Infantry list kept, and perhaps made viable.

-Let RAS take 2x Special Weapons a la Grey Hunters

-Let Razorbacks take OCE

-Update Wargear to be in line with Codex: Space Marines and Space Wolves

Really I think most players would just like a few small changes, but I wouldn't be surprised if the changes made go beyond that or at least in a direction we weren't expecting.

EDIT: Oh, and Dante is pretty awesome, let's keep him that way. But not so awesome as to preclude anyone from taking a non-unique HQ.

Holy hell. Wasn't expecting a definitive release date. Any word on when we'll see some details, Reds8n?

Guess this means I can start up my 2nd edition era Blood Angels army that I occasionally think of.

PS: 'sup bhsman

'sup SRM. Should I expect you to post Red's post in the 40k thread back home?

Remember: grey primer, then two coats of Blood Red

I'll put a fiver on Raven Guard as the other chapter in the book... just to keep things interesting.

It's unlikely, if only because RG are getting their own rules from Forgeworld soon enough, and you have Shrike in the SM codex already.

Would be cool, though.

I'd guess a Flesh Tearers sublist or... uh... Lamenters?

Perhaps successor chapter-specific special characters that change the composition of the army a la Codex: Space Marines?

That'd be pretty dope. Personally I really hope they bring back Sanguinary High Priests. Having medic commanders is awesome.

I actually doubt there will be any separate lists in the BA codex. More likely we'll get what we've had with other books - a main list and special characters that give options, including characters from successor chapters.

As for what I'd like, I'd like to have a Death Company unit that is purchased as a separate and distinct unit (along with their Chaplain) rather than the "random" grouping that happens before the battle. It just doesn't make any sense to have a random roll to have guys join the DC before battle and yet they get to be kitted out in vastly different gear and wear differently colored armor. The way I see it, if you have time before the battle to paint their armor black and fit them with jump packs, you have time to take them as a normal "elite" choice the same way Ultramarines take Sterngard.

I think the best way to do this would be to take the Chaplain as a HQ choice that doesn't count against the FOC and then buy DC guys to accompany him (min of 5 max of 10) the way most HQ buy their honor guard.

You're referring to the 3rd edition codex where there was random rolling. The 4th edition codex now gives you an optional Death Company member for every squad you purchase, at a cost of making the points for the Death Company mandatory (to a tune of anywhere from 35 to 45pts per model!).

So not only are you forced to pay for a unit of Death Company (whether you want it or not), but you're also overcharged for them.