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i think that its good that the Lemartes model is gone its gak, on the rules front of character effecting compasition:
jump pack general (dante or generic) = jump pack assault marines as troops
Moriar = allows more dreads somehow
Seth = allows the fielding of flesh tearers allowing multiple death companies as troops


Also on the assault marines as troops debate i think jump pack-less assault troops will be a standard troop choice or tactical squads can swap bolters for CCW and bolt pistol

So are royal red marines (not just normal marines) but the sons sanguinius get a update,

i would have never guessed it

What makes the Blood Angels different from other SM? Special rules:
1. Black Rage
2. Death Company
Special equipment:
1. Death Mask
2. Exsanguinator
3. Grail
4. Shroud
Special units:
1. Baal predator
2. Furioso Dreadnought
3. Death company
Special Characters:
1. Dante
2. Corbulo
3. Lemartes
4. Mephiston
5. Tycho
6. MORIARRRR!
Add in lots and LOTS of Jump packs..
Just get all that in the codex and I'll be happy. BA are assault marines so sprinkle lots of plasma pistols and power weapons to taste.

Good things about today's email announcement from GW concerning Blood Angels:
1) We now know for sure what April's big release will be.
2) It will put an end to the combined Angels of Death Codex rumor that seemed unkillable on forums. Your Dark Angels and mine will just have to wait, but at least people will stop needlessly trying to get everyone's hopes up for a while.
3) We get to hear people who were anxiously awaiting non-Space Marine releases complain some more about "yet another Space Marine release" instead of Dark Eldar, Inquisition, etc. Oh, that's not a good thing, but it will happen, a lot.

Here's the text from the email for those who don't subscribe to the newsletter and you won't have to click on anything to see it. There were no pictures of models in the email announcement, just a piece of artwork.

Incoming! Blood Angels

This April the Blood Angels will be re-launched with an all-new Codex and range of plastic and metal miniatures. One of the oldest and noblest of all Space Marine Chapters, the Blood Angels have stood fast against the enemies of the Imperium since the Great Crusade and it was their Primarch Sanguinius, who laid down his life to aid the Emperor against Horus in the final hours of the Warmaster’s rebellion. The new Codex explores the background and history of these superhuman warriors like never before, and contains new artwork depicting some of their greatest battles and most powerful champions.

The Blood Angels have always been a powerful close combat army and have been made even deadlier thanks to a range of specialist wargear, the ability to field Assault Squads as Troops choices, and more Dreadnoughts than any other Space Marine Chapter, including a Death Company Dreadnought and the fabled Furioso Dreadnought. The Sons of Sanguinius will be deep striking onto a tabletop near you this April – now’s the time to practice painting red.

Well, I'm glad that it's official now.

I'm a little concerned about the dreadnought thing. More than any other chapter? Really? So that means at least 7 since vanilla with master of the forge can get 6 or can SW do more? While I like my dreads, it bothers me that GW would invent new fluff for this new codex that makes BA more dready than anybody else. I'd be happy to see the return of Moriar too, but I don't see why having him as an HQ choice should give BA more dreads. Moriar is not really in a position to lead anything.

Moriar was an Elite choice last time he could be taken.

Arschbombe wrote:Well, I'm glad that it's official now.

I'm a little concerned about the dreadnought thing. More than any other chapter? Really? So that means at least 7 since vanilla with master of the forge can get 6 or can SW do more? While I like my dreads, it bothers me that GW would invent new fluff for this new codex that makes BA more dready than anybody else. I'd be happy to see the return of Moriar too, but I don't see why having him as an HQ choice should give BA more dreads. Moriar is not really in a position to lead anything.

Yeah, it's hard to imagine Moriar doing anything as a leader- it even said in the previous Codexes that he's restrained outside of battle. It'd be nice to have him back, but not as a HQ choice. He used to be an Elites, from what I remember, which would work fine by me.

I guess I should get another Ironclad sometime so I can replace the Chainfist on my 'Moriar' with another DCCW if Moriar does return. I'm actually quite interested in whether Tycho will make an appearance in this new 'Dex, I'm pretty sure the fluff says he's dead now (pretty sure he joined the Death Company and was killed in a mission) but it wouldn't be the first 'dead' character you can still field.

Certainly going to be an interesting year for me (I field BA and 'Nids ).

Arschbombe wrote:I'd be happy to see the return of Moriar too, but I don't see why having him as an HQ choice should give BA more dreads. Moriar is not really in a position to lead anything.

I don't think he will be what would give BA more dreads, he might give you more Death Company, but I am thinking that this new bit of info came out of nowhere there is going to be a new character that is going to come out of nowhere. And I bet that we are also going to see a whole new dread kit (maybe plastic venerable or something else) and that this new bit f fluff is to sell it.

Kervin wrote:

Arschbombe wrote:I'd be happy to see the return of Moriar too, but I don't see why having him as an HQ choice should give BA more dreads. Moriar is not really in a position to lead anything.

I don't think he will be what would give BA more dreads, he might give you more Death Company, but I am thinking that this new bit of info came out of nowhere there is going to be a new character that is going to come out of nowhere. And I bet that we are also going to see a whole new dread kit (maybe plastic venerable or something else) and that this new bit f fluff is to sell it.

a new plastic kit is more likely to be a plastic furusio.

beside the "BA have more dreads" thing is more likely to be a variation thing.

i hope blood angels will still be able to take assault squads as troops without having to take a special character (though if it dante i'll probably still take him)

I'll be interested to see what the fluff justification for Blood Angels getting more dreadnaughts than anyone else is. Space Vampire Robot Fridges! Rawr.

What Marines are left to do now? Templars?

Even though I wait patiently for Necrons hearing the BA get their well needed update makes me rejoice. Now my WorldEaters can chew on something more tangible than my friend's IG all the time (he plays BA too)

So let's assume for the sake of argument that the next codex is going to be a non-marine one out in mid-2010. Which one?

Da Boss wrote:What Marines are left to do now? Templars?

BT and DA are left unless they pull something and come out with a new chapter dex.

olympia wrote:So let's assume for the sake of argument that the next codex is going to be a non-marine one out in mid-2010. Which one?

I'm quite stumped, but knowing the trend, an army that really didn't need the update but one that will warrant some mid year revenue to tie over the share holders' bloodlust

Inquisition!

it could be eldar or tau i reckon it's a very slim chance that its necrons or dark eldar.

We'll see when we see. No sense in stirring the hornet nest of the time-lost army books by getting their hopes up.

The "More Dreads" could simply be variations;
Dread, Venerable, Ironclad + Furioso and Moriar.

See? More dreads than another chapter.

BrookM wrote: I just hope that it won't be as extravagant as the Space Hulk terminators.

Yeah but remember, that theres like 11 terminator marines, which allows for a chance of heroic poses, indiviualism, awesome character and the like. Hey do you guys think this could be the cover of the codex?

olympia wrote:So let's assume for the sake of argument that the next codex is going to be a non-marine one out in mid-2010. Which one?

Would honestly say Necrons or Dark Eldar, though Tau could slip in out of nowhere.

bhsman wrote:

olympia wrote:So let's assume for the sake of argument that the next codex is going to be a non-marine one out in mid-2010. Which one?

Would honestly say Necrons or Dark Eldar, though Tau could slip in out of nowhere.

I would like to see Tau or Necrons, if it is DE I will make my summer army nids. But the BA dex is going to be played with my generic painted SM army (it is good to be a generic SM player you get 4-5 [i would not play SW with generic SM but could be done] dexs with only one army of models).

Yeah but remember, that theres like 11 terminator marines, which allows for a chance of heroic poses, indiviualism, awesome character and the like. Hey do you guys think this could be the cover of the codex?

I doubt it - that's quite an old piece of artwork, if I'm remembering it correctly.

Edit - When quoting someone, including the quote often helps.....

Munch Munch! wrote:

BrookM wrote: I just hope that it won't be as extravagant as the Space Hulk terminators.

Yeah but remember, that theres like 11 terminator marines, which allows for a chance of heroic poses, indiviualism, awesome character and the like. Hey do you guys think this could be the cover of the codex?

Yeah, that pic was done a while ago for the armies of Imperium army builder program they put out, it might be included in the book but I seriously doubt that its the cover.

It's the differences from 'normal' marines that will make or break this. GW succeeded with Space Wolves (whether you like them or not, they certainly play differently), so let's hope they can do the same for BA.

Simply allowing jumppackers as troops wouls seem a simple and fluffy rule, subject of course to points costs and numbers of special weapons etc.

'Lots of dreads' hardly seems part of traditional BA fluff, but I don't have a problem with it - e.g. a list made mostly/entirely of jumppackers and dreads would be interesting. Going on recent codexes, allowing squadrons of dreads would be a distinct possibility.

So I am wondering who wrote the new codex...

* shudders *

I hope they come up with some better art.

Manchu wrote:

I hope they come up with even more awesome art.

Fixed.

Think they might be using that for the codex cover?

No, they always create new art for their army books.

im with GBF i wanna know who wrote, or who killed the BAs lol