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Well I don't have the codex yet, so I am still waiting till Saturday. But for those who have their pre-orders in, what don't you like about the fluff of Tyranids or what if fluff in their now that is unfluffy for Tyranids?

For me, I don't understand the fluff for Tevrigons. Tyrandis that get "spit" out? WTF? I always envisioned that Tyranids are grown from birth, and have a digestion period. A fast one mind you but still takes time for Tyranids to grow and mature. I can understand rules wise Tevrigons would be there, to replace the Without Number rule, where you have an endless swarm of Gaunts. I see the "spitting out" is to represent an endless swarm, but how is it fluffy though?

Is there other fluff you don't like or fluff rules that don't make sence or you don't like?

I never liked the idea that 'nids eat an entire planet in a week.

It kind of makes it pointless to even have the battle.

If planet-eating took oh, 10 years then the battles would have a point.

I think you mean gestation period, not digestion period.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I never liked the idea that 'nids eat an entire planet in a week.

It kind of makes it pointless to even have the battle.

If planet-eating took oh, 10 years then the battles would have a point.

Tell that to the Ultramarines.

The only thing I don't like about the fluff in the new Codex is the fluff for the Trygon Prime. There's not much fluff about it either than pretty much saying "It's a super-duper-Trygon."

Platuan4th wrote:I think you mean gestation period, not digestion period.

My partner had a pretty healthy appetite for our first one.

I figure that the tervigon doesn't flash grow termagants or anything, but rather it carries dormant/unhatched termagants with it, and hatches them in battle. Just like a wild animal can walk right after birth, so can a tyranid fight.

Platuan4th wrote:I think you mean gestation period, not digestion period.

oops, yes thanks for clarifing that.

ph34r wrote:I figure that the tervigon doesn't flash grow termagants or anything, but rather it carries dormant/unhatched termagants with it, and hatches them in battle. Just like a wild animal can walk right after birth, so can a tyranid fight.

That's pretty much what it says in its entry in the codex.

An interesting note is that in the Aliens role-playing game that I bought a long time ago, probably out of print, they listed other xenos that the Colonial Marines could go after, and there was some planet where the indigenous species was something like an armadillo that had little drones that could detach from the larger animal and chew seven kinds of hell out of Colonial Marines.

Maybe model a Carnifex with a marsupial pouch...

The new Tyranid Codex seems significantly "fluffier" to me, and I haven't even sat down and read the whole thing. To be fair, though, I think the old Tyranid Codex was close to Necron-level in terms of bad fluff.

Yeah to be honest, I don't like where the tyranids are going, mostly because of how anti-swarm there new codex is. I'm agreeing with Kid Kyoto here, I think the supposed fact that a tyranid swarm can consume a planet in a day completely destroys the point of a plausible battle.

I think it would take more engery to consume a planet in a day than what you would get back from it. Even a small planet like Earth or our Moon,and have it covered with Rippers to consume it in a day would be mindboggiling.

If a hive fleet consumed the squat homeworld, wouldn't that produce a whole slew of midget 'nids? Just wondering....

ph34r wrote:I figure that the tervigon doesn't flash grow termagants or anything, but rather it carries dormant/unhatched termagants with it, and hatches them in battle. Just like a wild animal can walk right after birth, so can a tyranid fight.

Check these out for tervigon parallels in nature:

http://uglyoverload.blogspot.com/2008/05/wolf-spider-mom.html


http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2006/12/31/scorpion-mother-with-babies-on-her-back.html

Bramnero wrote:Yeah to be honest, I don't like where the tyranids are going, mostly because of how anti-swarm there new codex is. I'm agreeing with Kid Kyoto here, I think the supposed fact that a tyranid swarm can consume a planet in a day completely destroys the point of a plausible battle.

I haven't read the book but I am going out on a limb and believing that this is regarding planets without any sort of suitable planetary defense stationed there or fleets to slow them down. :S

@ skipmce, nice pics. Almost hurled on one pic ewwww. The thing is, I don't see how the babies could do any damage that the adult would be fighting though.

A good comparsion though, but would they really be able to attack something on mass?

Davor wrote:@ skipmce, nice pics. Almost hurled on one pic ewwww. The thing is, I don't see how the babies could do any damage that the adult would be fighting though.

A good comparsion though, but would they really be able to attack something on mass?

They aren't babies, they're fully developed, but in a state of stasis until they are released by the Tervigon.

thanks Darth Bob, I guess it's true, we can learn something new every day.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I never liked the idea that 'nids eat an entire planet in a week.

It kind of makes it pointless to even have the battle.

If planet-eating took oh, 10 years then the battles would have a point.

But then there would be no point in Nids, they consume galaxies so if the took 10 years to eat a planet, it would take hundreds of thousands of years to eat a galaxy.

Tyranid Horde wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I never liked the idea that 'nids eat an entire planet in a week.

It kind of makes it pointless to even have the battle.

If planet-eating took oh, 10 years then the battles would have a point.

But then there would be no point in Nids, they consume galaxies so if the took 10 years to eat a planet, it would take hundreds of thousands of years to eat a galaxy.

I don't think 'Nids have watches. If they did it would be devoured . I don't think they care about time.

It would waste a lot of their energy consuming one planet.

Bramnero wrote:Yeah to be honest, I don't like where the tyranids are going, mostly because of how anti-swarm there new codex is. I'm agreeing with Kid Kyoto here, I think the supposed fact that a tyranid swarm can consume a planet in a day completely destroys the point of a plausible battle.

Can you clarify what you mean by they're more anti-swarm?

Are you referring to their weapons or the army playstyle setup?

If it's the latter, than I think you need to relook at the codex because they're heavily swarm based this go around. The cost of the gaunts are amazingly low and for their cost are already to go no need to add points for weapons or anything you can just plug and play. And the price for a full squad of 30 (if you're not going to Pod them) is 150, a good chunk lower than before if you bottom barreled them. (which everyone did if they used them)

And giving them some anti-horde weapons (if that's what you were meaning) isn't a bad thing and it's not just anti-horde but also anti-speed abilities too, allowing Nid's the opportunity to not be out ran the whole game.

So I don't see any of those as bad. As far as fluff goes the new codex works pretty well and makes things interesting and is way more informative then the last. As for the Tervigon and Trygon Prime, what more info do you really need? Are you looking for a biological report from a dissection by a group of inquisitors? Many of the breeds of Tyranids have never been reported or captured. Only reports of them exist if that, and besides what else makes something more interesting than a little mystery.? Anywho, just my opinion.

peace~

The fluff contradicts itself on `Nid travel times. It talks about how they latch onto a systems gravity from a long ways out, and uses it to somehow pull themselves at faster than light speeds towards it. However, they're not able to do this on the final approach, so it ends up taking them years longer to get there than their max speed would suggest. At the same time, it talks about the `Nids circling and taking over entire sectors of space in a month or two, hopping from system to system.

All in all though, the fluff in all the books about travel times never stays consistent. It always talks about space travel taking years, where people go into stasis for the duration, yet people bother to call for reinforcements and actually have them show up when they're being invaded.

Aduro wrote:It talks about how they latch onto a systems gravity from a long ways out, and uses it to somehow pull themselves at faster than light speeds towards it. However, they're not able to do this on the final approach, so it ends up taking them years longer to get there than their max speed would suggest. At the same time, it talks about the `Nids circling and taking over entire sectors of space in a month or two, hopping from system to system.

You're looking at the actions of tendrils of a hive fleet vs the volume of the entire fleet itself.

Fetterkey wrote:The new Tyranid Codex seems significantly "fluffier" to me, and I haven't even sat down and read the whole thing. To be fair, though, I think the old Tyranid Codex was close to Necron-level in terms of bad fluff.

Now that's saying something as the Necron Codex is, hands down, the worst...

C'tan must have an imagination on par with the writers of the necron codex.. why would a full fledged god create an army of robot warriors that have short ranged and weak weapons who just die in close combat vs IG sargs with power weapons?!?!

I think the new nid codex is a huge step forward.. feels like it has a lot of originality, uniqueness instead of last codex which was "Hive tyrant + carnifex " and the rest sucked

On another note, since GW owns the fluff no codex can be "unfluffy" :p

I don't understand why everyone thinks that it only takes a week.

From everything I've read about planetary consumption (not just from the 'Nid dex), the consumption of a planet can stretch anywhere between 10 days and several months.

Your forgetting their tiny, tiny claws on their mid limbs

I can see one day being possible if there is ZERO to slow them down. No orbital or planetary defenses and an unarmed intelligent population. You have an entire hive fleet that with multiple crazy-straw ships to drink up the biomass. Plus if there's no defenses they don't need to expend energy spawning tyranids and then breaking down those same tyranids. One day sounds reasonable for a whole fleet descending upon a single world and using all of it resources to feed at maximum efficiency. You don't see them taking away to-go bags, they dine in for the all-you-can-eat buffet and stay until the kegs get tapped out.

Don't they still need to collect and semi-digest all the biomass using spores and rippers? You can't slurp a rainforest with a crazy-straw.