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This has been bugging me for a while now... I notice it alot in the Dakka Poles...


THESE ARE NOT THREAD QUESTIONS... JUST EXAMPLES FROM THE DAKKA POLES AS REFERENCE FOR THE ABOVE STATEMENT!
How long does a typical ame of 40k usually last for you?
Whats your favorite edition of Warhammer 40k?
Would you buy race specific Warhammer 40k Terrain?
Would you buy pre-painted 40k miniatures?
What 40k races do you buy or collect?
etc

For some reason I never see a WHFB equivilant to those threads. All those questions could easily be applied to WHFB as well and they never are.

Ive seen a few threads about why 40k is more popular than fantasy but I dont want to know why its more popular in general... I want to know why YOU prefer it over WHFB... and so Im not being hippocritcal (is that even a word?) of myself... If its the other way around, then why do you prefer WHFB over 40k? Could be models, lore, game play, anything... just what draws you into WHFB/40k more than the other?

I don't like the ranked units of WHFB. I also don't like the focus on lords/heroes in that game. Finally, I like 40k's models and fluff a lot better than Fantasy's.

I'll take Door #2 (WHFB > WH40K)

I played 40k first, but several times it was mentioned to me that comparing 40k to fantasy is like comparing checkers to chess... and since I love chess, I made the switch

Now, fantasy has been frustrating to get into, learning different rules and game mechanics... but I'm still very satisfied that I did, since the game seems a bit more intricate on the whole.

I've also heard that sales are about similar between the two systems... but I don't know if that's true or not.

I prefer sci-fi to fantasy in general, so that's why. I don't really have anything against the gameplay, I just find elves and dwarves and dragons and such uninteresting.

That's what's weird- I always prefer sci-fi. Books, movies, etc... you name it, I take sci-fi over fantasy any day.

With two notable exceptions:
LOTR > most other books
WHFB > WH40K

Doesn't make sense... but it's true...

RiTides wrote:I've also heard that sales are about similar between the two systems... but I don't know if that's true or not.

Not in the least. IIRC, Space Marines alone are accounting for about 46% of GW's sales volume.

I like 40K more because I just do. Ask me why I like pizza more than hamburgers and I'm not really going to be able to give you an empirical answer. Set the two of them in front of me and I'll pick the one of them because for whatever sum total of reasons, my brain clearly ranks it higher.

Bookwrack wrote:Ask me why I like pizza more than hamburgers...

Okay, why?

Perhaps where I "heard" the line about sales being equal was a GW rep when I was originally considering fantasy... hmmmmm.... I wonder if there's a connection

Actually, what you say is just how I feel, too- it doesn't make any sense why I like the one over the other, it just turned out that way. If anything, the opposite would make more sense.

I love the system that WHFB have over 40K. Don't get me wrong I like both gaming styles, but always found fantasy to be more challenging to the mind because of the way the units are placed, that characters have a role that affects the whole army and most of all MAGIC and of course the list goes on and on.

To me 40K doesn't have all these things...I see it as who has the most firepower in one turn (yes I know power/termi armour is great and all, but when you have to make 12 armour saves from rapid fire...those one's (termi's case), two's and three's are gonna pop up like there's no tomorrow)

In addition (not sure if I only share this opinion) in a game of fantasy, you can turn around the game to your favor later in the turns, but in 40K---once its starts going down hill......it really goes down hill quickly giving you no chance in turning the tide of battle to your favor.

The funny thing is I hear that exact same thing said about Fantasy.

Fantasy army as a whole looks very good when displayed.

But i find 40k units more individualized which is a plus.
Also seems easier to convert.

Bookwrack wrote

The funny thing is I hear that exact same thing said about Fantasy.

True I have heard the same also.

It just comes down to taste I guess, as others have mentioned its really hard to explain why one will go for one rather than the other.

LunaHound wrote

Fantasy army as a whole looks very good when displayed.
But i find 40k units more individualized which is a plus.
Also seems easier to convert.

Agree all the way

Bookwrack wrote:The funny thing is I hear that exact same thing said about Fantasy.

It's interesting that people can say the same things about both systems, right This has come up twice now.

I think in fantasy, you can gain a tactical victory (like overwhelming a flank) that's impossible for your opponent to come back from, or even have it be that way from the very beginning based on a poor/excellent setup. However, to me, at least I can feel like I could have masterminded my way to a victory had I done better... I didn't always feel this way in 40k.

I'm sure the feeling of "defeat before placing models" takes place in fantasy, too, but with all of the tactics involved I feel like I could win if I'm tricky enough...

Guns, tanks, spaceships and bigger explosions.

That's why I prefer any SF game over fantasy.

I've never liked fantasy - but I was reading Snorri Sturlisson's eddas in early high school (English translations) so after that, even the 'epic' LOTR paled in comparison.

In my area, all the powergamers play WHFB, so 40k is much more fun to play.

I'm play both equally (although concentrating on Fantasy at the moment) as there are plenty of armies in both systems that appeal to me.

In my experience of these threads (40k v Fant), the reason usually comes down to love of tanks and guns.

40k also provides swords so you miss out on nothing.

Why I don't play Fantasy:

1) Steam Tank
2) Wood Elves
3) New Skaven
4) The Local Fantasy Players

Why I don't play 40K much:

1) Primary Color Marines of the month.
2) The CSM Codex
3) Monolith
4) The Local 40K Players

Easy answers:

Why fantasy over 40k? Because fantasy weeds out the 14 year olds.

Far fewer "children" play fantasy, and for good reason. It's far more tactically involved, and it is not so simple as point and shoot.

40k more or less comes down to 2 things: my gun is bigger, and I happened to roll better than you this time.

Yes I'm aware that there is a little more to it, but that is the jist of it. If you shoot at the right thing and roll well, you win.

In fantasy combat is often the last thing to truly decide a match. Movement is by far the most important phase of the game followed closely by picking and choosing combats and being able to predict outcomes and plan ahead to adjust for when things go wrong.

When people ask about fantasy, I tell them it is like chess, only with 100 pawns and a 300 page rule book. It's complex, and takes alot of time to really get a feel for how to play it.

40k is just put models down and roll dice. Don't get me wrong, 40k has it's place, and I built an entire SM force just because I liked the models.

Also, I find that since fantasy is a more involved game, the players tend to actually spend more than 5 minutes on appearance. I've played perhaps 1 or 2 games against an army that wasn't at least entirely primed and in several stages of being painted.

Care to know how many grey and silver 40k bouts I've seen? More than not.

All this being said, I rarely get the chance to play much as I live about an hour away from my lgs and don't often have the time to drive out there for the day. In the end I like the fantasy models far more than 40k on the whole.

I prefer 40k over WHFB because its more tactical.

You actually need tactics in it to win. Things like focus fire, movement, target priority are all important.

WHFB has some of these things but because movement is so much more static, you lose a lot of it.

Having less complex, more streamline rules does not make the system easier. Also, I enjoy tabling all the WHFB players while they complain about how less tactical this game is.

WHFB you just put down models, move straight forward and then roll dice against whatever you hit. Its basically checkers. My unit jumps your unit, your unit jumps my unit ect ect.

Also comp is ridiculously prevalent in WHFB, if you don't want to play the way the TO or gaming group wants you to play, then you get labeled as a jerk. Where as in 40k, comp has pretty much been phased out. As people have realized its dumb to tell people how to play and that list building is part of the game.

^I too have been to Yes the Truth Hurts.

I like 40k better than fantasy simply because in 40k, everyone moves, everyone shoots, everyone fights.

In fantasy you have 5 guys that fight, and 15 bullet catchers in a unit generally. I cant stand that.

I dont mind either really , I started of in fantasy because thats what I was into as a child warriors and magic rather than guns.
For the first 3 years I didnt touch 40k , but then i thought what the hey and found it to be pretty good. i know what you mean though when I go down to my local work shop on a Saturday the kids are usually playing 40k , I dont think I have seen them play fantasy once. ( Okay shops not been open long since August)


With me though I was really interested in the back ground and this idea of an emperor and a vast endless universe riddled with war .Does fantasy gives us this depth or is it there just not as much on offer or advertised.? Is the the fantasy universe not as diverse and big or are we too lazy to create our own idea of it , with our own armies rather than oo look " ultramarines" how very original.

My ancient warfare urges are satisfied by playing historical ancients.

40K offers modelling and conversion opportunities which appeal strongly.

For the record, just because someones a kid doesn't make them less smart or tactical than you.

I have watched 12 year olds that can easily outplay seasoned veterans at these games. Age definitely helps in the maturity and skills of the game but its not the defining standard.

Also, a lot of kids are a bit more humble and they usually take victories and defeats better than a lot of the more seasoned veterans who (some of) act like they always deserve to win.

Just saying don't rip on the kids for their age unless you want me to rip on all the old gamers for being set in their ways because their old.

CptZach wrote:For the record, just because someones a kid doesn't make them less smart or tactical than you.

I have watched 12 year olds that can easily outplay seasoned veterans at these games. Age definitely helps in the maturity and skills of the game but its not the defining standard.

Also, a lot of kids are a bit more humble and they usually take victories and defeats better than a lot of the more seasoned veterans who (some of) act like they always deserve to win.

Just saying don't rip on the kids for their age unless you want me to rip on all the old gamers for being set in their ways because their old.

I am not having a go at the kids , I was just making an observation. Maybe its because one has started with 40k so their friends want to have 40k so they can play together I dont know . When I used to go to another store before this one opened there was a variety of gamers and games played by all types. Theres only one staff in this shop so far , I guess when it gets more staff and people there wil l be a more varied approach .

CptZach wrote:WHFB you just put down models, move straight forward and then roll dice against whatever you hit. Its basically checkers. My unit jumps your unit, your unit jumps my unit ect ect.

This.
...and

I had 3 fantasy armies at one point, Lizardmen, Ogres and Vampires. The thing that I disliked most about the game is the fact that you can have an entire game of moving your regiments around the board and not engage the enemy. Most of the games were games of keep away or just charge forward.

Anyway 40K is much more tactically satifying to me.

GG

How long does a typical ame of 40k usually last for you?
2-5 hours depending on size and the amount of bsing

Whats your favorite edition of Warhammer 40k?
I like 5th the best. I have played all the editions from late RT until now

Would you buy race specific Warhammer 40k Terrain?
no I play at the store or at events. I might buy a bit for a display board but that is it.

Would you buy pre-painted 40k miniatures?
not "pre-Painted" but I could easy send an army off to a pro painter to get it done. for $500, I can start playing in a few weeks.

What 40k races do you buy or collect?
curently csm's and demons. used to have marines and squats and eldar and orks but they all were sold off at somepoint.

I used to play fantasy in 4th and a bit of 5th and even own a 6th ed rule book. I just don't have enough time to paint and play to systems. The lack of balance in WFB currently does sound fun either. I used to play chaos warriors, undead and goblins.

Just this,

WHFB was more popular within my area, Then it shifted to 40k and hasn't budged since. had to go with the flow to get a game or two.

Now I have moved and there is still a 40K bias.

I like WHFB but at the moment cannot spend great sums of time, money and effort in getting an army together and finding games.

How long does a typical ame of 40k usually last for you?
I don't play that often so when i do, we generally make an evening of it, (4-8 hours)

What’s your favourite edition of Warhammer 40k?
I like 5th , though I only converted from fantasy at the later end of the 4th

Would you buy race specific Warhammer 40k Terrain?
No, I make my own

Would you buy pre-painted 40k miniatures?
Not a chance, modelling and painting the main reason I do this

What 40k races do you buy or collect?
See signature below, currently working on Imperial Guard

I prefer Fantasy, for most of the reason "aerethan" gave, but the recent figures that have been brought out by GW have turned me right off the game, so much so that I don't think I played a single game with the latest rule, and now they’re changing them again!!!!!!

40k Missions
Tanks
Guns