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This is my list for a future army I'm planning on starting.

HQ: Lord w/ MoK, Daemon Waepon (Bloodfeeder), and TL-Bolter: 145

Troops: Berzerkers x7: 147

Bezerkers x8 w/ Fisted Champ: 208

CSM x10 w/ IoK, x2 Meltaguns, Rhino: 235

CSM x10 w/ IoK, x2 Flamers, Rhino: 225

Heavy:

2 Land Raider (These are transports for my Berzerkers. Note that my Lord will be riding in with the 7-man squad of Berzerkers.): 440
1 Predator w/ Heavy bolter turrets.: 100

Grand Total: Exactly 1500 points (if my math is right).


What do you guys think?

IMO all Demon weapons suck. Who wants to take the risk of hurting yourself?

If you want to run Khornate, try Kharn as an HQ, or maybe an MoK demon prince with wings?


In addition, Chaos Land Raiders don't have PotMS so they don't *always* get a shot off. If it's just a berzerker delivery vehice, you might want to consider blowing 1/3 of your army on them.

Well, I want to take that risk for up to 16 attacks. I don't really want Kharn as it isn't a World Eaters army and I already have a DP and I don't really want to put another one together.

So why the TL-bolter?

Without extra armor or possession on your LRs, you'll likely run into a lot of situations where opponents will shoot at them until they are stunned (or worse) and then they will move on to the Rhinos. Having so many points in those LRs is forcing you to forgo long range anti-tank fire support or getting your Berzerkers where they need to be. I say go for 2 LRs at 2000+ points if you want, but they just seem to be more of a hindrance than a boon at 1500.

At 1500, Berzerkers in Rhinos seem to do well. You could add on a lot more threats with the saved points. Defilers, a termicide unit, a possessed Vindicator...oh the possibilities...

Yeah, but in Rhinos they can't assault out of them really well.

Sure they can. Not nearly as well as LRs sure...but those are LRs. It's all about how you play them. And remember that Land Raiders die to melta fairly regularly. I just witnessed a game earlier today where a Khorne player got all of his Rhino Berzerkers+Kharne into combat against a pretty good Salamanders player.

Rhinos roll up 24" for 2 turns and you are primed for 14.9" threat range on turn 3. That should put you in range of something. The point I'm making is to use the rest of your army to create opportunities to assault. Asking your Land Raiders to create those opportunities with their Lascannons uses up valuable time because you have to be still to fire both or move a little and fire 1. If you're not planning on calling your Lascannons, then your Rhino with the Meltaguns will be called upon to pry open APCs, but their lack of range affords your opponent more time. It's just that your list has established a clear line of target priority by potentially overloading your Berzerker/Land Raiders.

I'm not saying this list is going to get tabled every game. I'm just saying I foresee a lot of headaches for you against a variety of lists.

Play test it if you have the means, but I urge you to reconsider the power of what appears to be a godhammer unit before you go spending $100.

bloodfeeder ftw, it sends chills down my spine to see my lord with one wound left and killing himself 1/3 of the time- but the image of wiping out entire squads is really tempting...

tnrdogg5 wrote:bloodfeeder ftw, it sends chills down my spine to see my lord with one wound left and killing himself 1/3 of the time- but the image of wiping out entire squads is really tempting...

It's quite a sight to behold. I've had entire squads of TH/SS Terminators wiped out by a Chaos Lord who got lucky and had 16 attacks on the charge...

unbeliever87 wrote:

tnrdogg5 wrote:bloodfeeder ftw, it sends chills down my spine to see my lord with one wound left and killing himself 1/3 of the time- but the image of wiping out entire squads is really tempting...

It's quite a sight to behold. I've had entire squads of TH/SS Terminators wiped out by a Chaos Lord who got lucky and had 16 attacks on the charge...

These times are unfortunately few and far between. Its far more likely that you will just stab yourself. In terms of reliable killing power there are much better options than a khorne lord with a bloodfeeder.

16 attacks on the charge...
Str 4...
3's to hit, 4's to wound, 3++.

Roughly 10 hits, 5 wounds, 5/3 kills on average if you roll box cars.

Highly Meh.
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Marshal_Gus wrote:Sure they can. Not nearly as well as LRs sure...but those are LRs. It's all about how you play them. And remember that Land Raiders die to melta fairly regularly. I just witnessed a game earlier today where a Khorne player got all of his Rhino Berzerkers+Kharne into combat against a pretty good Salamanders player.

Rhinos roll up 24" for 2 turns and you are primed for 14.9" threat range on turn 3. That should put you in range of something. The point I'm making is to use the rest of your army to create opportunities to assault. Asking your Land Raiders to create those opportunities with their Lascannons uses up valuable time because you have to be still to fire both or move a little and fire 1. If you're not planning on calling your Lascannons, then your Rhino with the Meltaguns will be called upon to pry open APCs, but their lack of range affords your opponent more time. It's just that your list has established a clear line of target priority by potentially overloading your Berzerker/Land Raiders.

I'm not saying this list is going to get tabled every game. I'm just saying I foresee a lot of headaches for you against a variety of lists.

Play test it if you have the means, but I urge you to reconsider the power of what appears to be a godhammer unit before you go spending $100.

Second, all of it.
I have see what Zack has brought up before.
In summary, the Rhinos are a 'delayed' charge, but they make up for the time lag with a longer overall reach into combat and being cheaper and does not cost a FoC slot.
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As for the original list:

Lord: high risk for medium rewards. The bloodfeeder is a personal taste choice, I personally like the undivided or nurgle one.
Slaanesh got a leg up in regards to the new Nids coming out, but the previous two mentioned seem to have more of a consistant performance. (not gonna not the Tzeentch Weapon).

Zerkers: what's the point of the 7 man? Posse for the lord? Well always get the special weapon on a champ. It's prob. the most important models in your whole list.
Zerker 2 is ok.
CSMs look ok.
Pred is meh.
2 raider.....I'm not too impressed with one, doubling up is always nice, but I'm thinking it's hurting the list in general.

Well my list is very obviously centered around my Berzerkers. If I have them jump out a Rhino, move, and then shoot, that leaves the other guy to shoot the crap out of something, how do I get them out of a Rhino and into CC without being shot up?

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Well my list is very obviously centered around my Berzerkers. If I have them jump out a Rhino, move, and then shoot, that leaves the other guy to shoot the crap out of something, how do I get them out of a Rhino and into CC without being shot up?

You disembark the following turn.

If you disembark from a vehicle that has not moved, then you can move your full movement, AND assault. This, plus the 2" disembark to the *backs* of their bases, means that you can assault over 14" on the turn you disembark.

So, for example, you roll them up 12" turn one, stay in the Rhino. Turn 2: is there anything within 14 or so inches? No? Then get closer and stay in the Rhino. Turn 3: is there anything within 14 or so inches? So on and so forth.

You're basically losing a turn of movement, but that's not the end of the world. As long as you get there sooner or later, that's what matters. I've also found that people nearly always shoot the Land Raiders more than they shoot Rhinos, regardless of what's inside. You need enough killy stuff in the army to take attention away from your transports.

Drop the landraiders, and spend there points on like 20 more 'zerkers in Rhinos. I would also drop the predator, but thats just me. I would rather take more regular csm's, or bulk up your 'zerker squads to 10. A khorne lord with a pair of lightning claws would also be more effective, than the blood feeder lord, but mobility might be an issue without the landraider transport (that is if you are giving him td armour). Basically, in a Khorne list, you want to bulk up on the 'zerkers. Just some thoughts.