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Im sitting here builing a star wars model. I started wondering. Will this ever die? Will people remember star wars 30 or 40 years from know?
what do you guys think.
do you think they will ever die. or do you think thy will still live on and be a great cultural icon.
I think it will change over time. Like the x-men or spider man. but i dont think they will die. i think they will still be looked on as cinema masterpieces.
Btw. i still cant fimd any good models that arent lvl 1. its getting annoying.

There are no star wars models that aren't lvl1 anymore.

For those, you need to go back in time 25 or so years, when MPC and ERTL had kits available (and the star destroyer was huuuge and took forever to assemble).

I see the current crop of Revell plastic kits to be akin to the old Airfix(R) 1/72 kits like the spitfire (two sprues, limited parts).

I'd say without a doubt that Star Wars/Star Trek will still be around.
Look at films like the original Frankenstien or Dracula,these films are still widely known and they are 80 years old.

Star Wars IV-VI maybe, but not I-III which will quickly be forgotten about (I hope, my children will certainly not be permitted to watch them). The Star Wars universe may limp on via the medium of TV. I hear they're working on a live action TV series as opposed to that Clone Wars pap?

Star Trek has just had a relatively successful reboot and should be good for another decade or so.

well the kits i want are the ones that arent snap fit. found only one today.
But yeah the star wars live action is still in pre production i believe.

I don't know about that Flashman,I think episodes I-III will survive simply due to their conection with the other 3 films.

FITZZ wrote: I don't know about that Flashman,I think episodes I-III will survive simply due to their conection with the other 3 films.

I counter with the fact that nobody watches the Star Wars Holiday Special anymore or Caravan of Courage and whatever the other crap Ewok spin off was called. If there's any sense and logic in the world, Eps I-III should have a similar fate.

Star Wars already died.

I liked the prequals. honestly the only reason i think the adults hated them is because they expected them to take them back to there child hood. and we all know you can never go back there.


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except gwar is right bout jar jar.

garret wrote:I liked the prequals. honestly the only reason i think the adults hated them is because they expected them to take them back to there child hood. and we all know you can never go back there.

No, we hated them because they were crap.

Flashman wrote:

FITZZ wrote: I don't know about that Flashman,I think episodes I-III will survive simply due to their conection with the other 3 films.

I counter with the fact that nobody watches the Star Wars Holiday Special anymore or Caravan of Courage and whatever the other crap Ewok spin off was called. If there's any sense and logic in the world, Eps I-III should have a similar fate.

True,but the holiday special and such are not so much a part of the Star Wars "story line",Eps I-III,however badly done,are.

Flashman wrote:

garret wrote:I liked the prequals. honestly the only reason i think the adults hated them is because they expected them to take them back to there child hood. and we all know you can never go back there.

No, we hated them because they were crap.

How were they crap. other the jar jar in the ep 1 how?

Nah, I can quite happily watch Eps IV to VI as standalone films and have blanked the other three from my mind, except for this line which I use to serve as a reminder not to go there again...

"Hold me Anakin, like you did on Naboo when there was nothing but our love."

Worst use of Natalie Portman ever.

garret wrote:How were they crap. other the jar jar in the ep 1 how?

Crap Story, Crap acting, Crap Premise, Crap everything?

On an unrelated note, I just watched 4-6 on my PC using VLC at 2x Speed. Makes them a lot more watch-able to my surprise.

I thought III was pretty great, probably second only to Empire Strikes Back.

Flashman wrote:Nah, I can quite happily watch Eps IV to VI as standalone films and have blanked the other three from my mind, except for this line which I use to serve as a reminder not to go there again...

"Hold me Anakin, like you did on Naboo when there was nothing but our love."

Worst use of Natalie Portman ever.

I get what your saying,however the films do exist,and on a "broader" scale will continue to exist & be watched as part of Lucas' "vision".

garret wrote:

Flashman wrote:

garret wrote:I liked the prequals. honestly the only reason i think the adults hated them is because they expected them to take them back to there child hood. and we all know you can never go back there.

No, we hated them because they were crap.

How were they crap. other the jar jar in the ep 1 how?

Ok, Garret, you asked for it...

The acting is terrible, the script is terrible, so much is animated it might as well be a cartoon, there is no Han Solo equivalent character (every film needs a rogue to lighten the mood), Darth Vader cries "Now this is pod racing!" with childish glee, Boba Fett cries "Get him dad, get him!" with childish albeit malevolent glee and thus two great characters are desconstructed to the point of ruin, the join up the plot holes ending is rushed and lacks drama (nice closing shot though), light sabres are so over used you actually get bored of them, there is absolutely no chemistry between Portman and Christensen so doomed central romance is limp and flacid... I could go on all night but I'm tired.

I will give you three redeeming features...

The lighting up of the double bladed light sabre (probably best moment in Eps I-III)
Ian McDiarmid's scheming Palpatine
John William's new score pieces especially Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars.

Seriously, Garret if you're determined to like them, more power to you. For me however, they shall and will remain a painful experience.

i still like them. nothing will change i will still always love them.

Eps 1-3 weren't bad, really. 3 was epic near the end, and the Darth Vader scream at the end was a little tear-jerking knowing his story from beginning to end. The first one (Minus Jar Jar) was pretty decent, and seeing Qui-gon die at the end was kind of sad. The biggest complaint I had about the original trilogy was that Anakin was supposed to grow up to be a galactic terror - and for most of the three movies, he whines about everything.

Good point, I forgot about the whining...

Flashman wrote:Good point, I forgot about the whining...

Well hell,like Father like Son...Luke whines for all of New Hope and Half of Empire Strikes Back.

I liked I-III. Especially the battle scenes of II and III. Especially when all those jedi got there asses pwned. But you know, I don't star wars will ever die. There's too much books, movies, comics, seven films and a tv series. BTW garret, what models did you get and what company mae them?

Flashman wrote:Good point, I forgot about the whining...

There's a joke there waiting to happen.

What's the joke?

Flashman's points are all pretty accurate. And yet somehow, none of that was able to overcome the epic scale of Episode III. I didn't think anything good could come in the wake Episodes I and II (well, Attack of the Clones wasn't all bad--just about 70% bad) but Revenge of the Sith manages to be pitch-perfect tragedy on the mythological scale. One wonders what the movies would have been like had I and II been nearly as good as III. Frankly, IV-VI really get oversold thanks to nostalgia and going so long with basically nothing to replace them with or compare them to that I think it's easy to forget just how cheesy and poorly scripted and acted they are. Episodes I and II are not anomalies. The anomalies are the great parts, V and III.

Manchu wrote:Frankly, IV-VI really get oversold thanks to nostalgia and going so long with basically nothing to replace them with or compare them to that I think it's easy to forget just how cheesy and poorly scripted and acted they are.

This is SO true (I hate all that '+1' gak) - the acting in most of the original films is absolute mahogany. Y'see, I have this problem - I'm not actually much of a geek. Sure, I litened to Whitesnake whilst playing BloodBowl as a kid, and of course I still play 40K. Hell, I even used to do some LARP when I was about 15!

But Sci-fi? Not so much.

Comics? Not so much.

Computers? Nope, not really. I play the odd game of DoW - that's pretty much it.

So I don't have this reverence for the Star Wars trilogy as being an essential part of the Sci-Fi canon. I just view them as films, and as films they are a bit... meh.


I liked one of them, can't remember which one. It might have been the second one, the one with the snow. That was pretty good.

Manchu & Albatross make excelent points.

Of the original Star Wars films "The Empire Strikes Back" was the only really "great" one.
And the original 3 suffered from wooden acting & silly one liners almost as much as Eps. I-III.

I think SW has a better chance of surviving in the popular imagination than Star Trek because it is more psychologically elemental. SW as a franchise . . . I don't know. As far as I'm concerned, it's not doing well. But I can't back that up with numbers. The Clone Wars series is in season 2, there's a new MMO coming up, a never ending stream of toys pumped into stores, and several series of novels and comics. I guess it just may be that SW belongs to someone else now. As for Trek, the last movie was very entertaining but also kind of alienating. Trek has always, it seems to me, struggled more as a franchise than SW. Were Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis (compared to which Search for Spock and especially Final Frontier were both very passable), for example, that much worse a movie than Episodes I and II? Enterprise, too, seemed like an alright if somewhat dragging show (no worse, IMO, than Voyager but certainly no DS9). I won't even bring up the video games . . .

Flashman wrote:
I will give you three redeeming features...

The lighting up of the double bladed light sabre (probably best moment in Eps I-III)
Ian McDiarmid's scheming Palpatine
John William's new score pieces especially Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars.

For me, the scheming Palpatine was completely ruined by the stupid faces he made in his lightsaber fights.

Oh yeah. Plus his phlem soaked voice was really gross. BTW was anyone else creeped out by his black teeth?