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Manchu wrote:I offer no defense of Episodes I and II. I totally forgive the woodeness of III, however, because of how cathartic it was.
As for any lack of emotion or development:
"YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!"
This scene is the first in all three movies (actually all six, to be really honest) where Anakin/Vader and Obi-Wan feel like they actually have had some kind of real friendship. And I believed it totally, even Hayden Christensen's wail of "I hate you!" This movie was emotionally soaring throughout. Yes, there are lame bits, too, but you can hardly say that IV-VI are perfect gems. Revenge of the Sith is definitely in The Empire Strikes Back's league. For me, it's a better and more important film.
I agree with you there,the final moments of Anakin & Obi-Wans duel were indeed excelent,and I also agree that Episode III was far better than Eps.I-II,perhaps I was being a bit harsh on it before,of the 3 prequels it's certainly the best by far.
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chaplaingrabthar wrote:I would rank them , best to worse:
IV
V
II
VI II
I
Wow you liked Episode 2 so much you put it in twice?
And so, due to rising costs of maintaining the Golden Throne, the Emperor's finest accountants spoke to the Demigurg. A deal was forged in blood and extensive paperwork for a sub-prime mortgage with a 5/1 ARM on the Imperial Palace. And lo, in the following years the housing market did tumble and the rate skyrocketed leaving the Emperor's coffers bare. A dark time has begun for the Imperium, the tithes can not keep up with the balloon payments and the Imperial Palace and its contents, including the Golden Throne, have fallen into foreclosure. With an impending auction on the horizon mankind holds its breath as it waits to see who will gain possession of the corpse-god and thus, the fate of humanity......
DS9
TOS TNG
Enterprise (Not seen much of it, but it has to be better than...)
Voyager
Wow, that's the exact same order I put them in.
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chaplaingrabthar wrote:As for Trek, I'll rate the series'
DS9 TOS TNG Enterprise (Not seen much of it, but it has to be better than...) Voyager
Wat? Star trek is clearly TNG,TOS,DS9,Voyager then Enterprise. (Seriously, as bad as Voyager was, it doesn't hold a candle to Enterprise)
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This is why Star Wars and 40k will ALWAYS win against the Federation. The Federation are wishy washy "ooh we mustn't hit it with orbital bonbaldonets because innocent kittens might die" while the Imperium of Man are "Kittens are heretical and must be purged. Release the Cyclonic Torpedoes then send a breached warp reactor just to be safe."
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I happen to agree that an Imperial Star Destroyer would smoke a Federation warship. But, lets find out where your true loyaties lie:
An Imperial Star Dreadnought (Vader's Super Star Destroyer from Empire and Return of the Jedi) versus an Emperor Class Battleship.
Emperor Class.
Why? Because if it starts to lose it can just activate it's Gellar Fields and open up a portal to Hell.
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Manchu wrote:A full screen isn't always a bad thing. A good example of this was the space battle at the beginning of Episode III. Yes, it was overwhelming. Yes, it was supposed to feel overwhelming and sharply contrast to the Jedi's casual attitude which makes them appear like epic heroes rather than regular grunts. The reviews posted by Wrex, et al., aregood no doubt but the guy overdoes it sometimes. One example of this is his weak cheap shot about the length of the duel in Episode III. If you're bored during that scene, you must have an attention span problem. Good luck making it through the nearly silent, totally still, achingly long scenes of "artistic" cinema (*cough cough* 2001--or should that be *snore snore* 2001?).
I respectfully disagree. I was bored by the scene.
Watch the ending duel in Rob Roy, then watch the Anakin/Won saber duel. You'll see the difference.
Or watch the duel between Anakin/Count Dookie/Yoda. Wasn't as long and much more interesting with cool visuals.
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I don't think his point was he had ADD, it was that things like fighting out on the... thing with the lava, then swinging from cables as the thing went over the falls brought nothing to the fight. Once they head outside nothing of real substance happens until Anakin becomes a triple amputee. You could have cut out the entire lava section and lost nothing. Therefore why was it in there?
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Tyyr wrote:I don't think his point was he had ADD, it was that things like fighting out on the... thing with the lava, then swinging from cables as the thing went over the falls brought nothing to the fight. Once they head outside nothing of real substance happens until Anakin becomes a triple amputee. You could have cut out the entire lava section and lost nothing. Therefore why was it in there?
I saw the whole extended batlle over the "lava sea" as, "Ok this is where Anakins going to be burned up,thus requiring the "Vader suit",perhaps Lucas was attempting to create tension as to when the "physical ruin" of Anakin was going to occur?
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Yeah, I'm a Trek fan I'm just gonna have to disagree with that.
I couldn't find a picture of a tank crushing a matchbox car so that will have to suffice.
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FITZZ wrote: I saw the whole extended batlle over the "lava sea" as, "Ok this is where Anakins going to be burned up,thus requiring the "Vader suit",perhaps Lucas was attempting to create tension as to when the "physical ruin" of Anakin was going to occur?
Maybe, but how much tension can it create when you know something like that has to happen? And in the end... it doesn't. So it's more of ah, "Haha, gotcha!" than anything if it was that.
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mattyrm wrote: I will bro fist a toilet cleaner.
I will chainfist a pretentious English literature student who wears a beret.
Flashman wrote:Star Wars IV-VI maybe, but not I-III which will quickly be forgotten about (I hope, my children will certainly not be permitted to watch them).
Star Trek has just had a relatively successful reboot and should be good for another decade or so.
Perhaps Lucas will "fix" them like he fixed Greedo v Han?
Is Star Trek on the air again?
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I do not agree with the outcomes of either of these, they are just funny. Like most Vs. Matchups, it depends on who is writing and paying for the story as to the winners.
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