Most underrated SM unit

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**pdawg517**

What do you think is the most underrated SM unit?

I'll get the ball rolling and say the TFC.

Many players tend to ignore and shoot at the bigger stuff like LR's, vindicators, predators, etc. The ability to fire 4 blasts a turn is awesome. It can kill MEQ's with the S6 shots and thin hordes with ignore cover rounds.

**Gornall**

TFC is way too squishy. Any opponent that it can hurt (aka not fully Mech) should and will prioritize it to die ASAP. If you were to build an army around getting first turn (Inquisitor with Tarot and Sicarius for example) then it might be worth it.

Personally, I feel the Combi Pred (Autocannon with Lascannon Sides) is very nasty and not used enough. It's ability to reach out and touch enemy MCs or Vehicles is awesome.

That and HB ABs. The amount of Dakka they can put out is pretty amazing, especially for their price.

**crazykiwi**

id back that up last tourny I took it to each game it was ignored for the first 3 rounds and then everything was aimed at it after its destructive potential was realised

**Ultrafool**

My friend uses a TFC all the time against my orks. First turn I just pump lootas at it and force the techmarine to make 10 or so 2+ saves, and he always fails.

The most underrated unit to me are sniper scouts. They just hide in a building and shoot 4 sniper shots and 1 rocket.

**Commander Endova**

TFC is a definite.

I'd say the TL-Lascannon with HB sponsons is pretty under rated. I like the versatlity it has, being able to do heavy damage to a vehicle or a horde army.

**DEATH89**

The humble Captain, with plasma pistol and power sword, kicking arse since I started in 3rd ed, though back then I used to have Imp Fists (though you probly wouldn't have guessed by looking

) and the original Lysander was awesome in a squad armed with just bolters

EDIT: thats Sergeant Lysander lol

**Black Antelope**

Ultrafool wrote:My friend uses a TFC all the time against my orks. First turn I just pump lootas at it and force the techmarine to make 10 or so 2+ saves, and he always fails.

The most underrated unit to me are sniper scouts. They just hide in a building and shoot 4 sniper shots and 1 rocket.

Are you sure your playing TFC right?
The lootas should have killed the cannon way before they kill the Tech.

(It takes 22 shots to drop the Tech, but around 5 to drop the TFC itself)

**RaegMachine**

Devs need more love...

**DEATH89**

RaegMachine wrote:Devs need to cost less points

Fixed that for ya

**Somnicide**

Devs are great - I just recently reread their entry - I forgot that the sergeant lets one of the weapons hit on a 2+!

The thing that is rough right now is the close combat is king and I kind of feel that the shootier units need to be scoring since the best assault units are either elite or fast so the devs get left out.

**Sanctjud**

I don't get it.
Why are devs over priced?

You have cheaper ML than havocs...and about the only thing over priced would be lascannons, but Devs don't just = lascannons.

You pay the same for the same MEQs and get a free signum.

Sheesh...

**DEATH89**

Long Fangs

get nearly all of it cheaper

**Sanctjud**

But the issue some people have is that they trade that for less bodybags/durability.
So there is balance in that.

**DEATH89**

Fair point, but I like em with a razorback so that didn't occur to me

**Sanctjud**

Well...they can't shoot out of it, so other than transporting them onto the board when Dawn of War, the razorback does not augment their durability without reducing offensive power by almost 100%.

**Demogerg**

I'll agree with the OP on the thunderfire.

put it in bolsterd ruins for a 3+ cover save on the cannon, with a 2+ armor save on the marine its a bit more durable than people think. Give it a Drop Pod for deployment versitility and it can rock pretty hard.

enemy runnin land raider spam? make them travel through difficult terrain for a 1/6th chance to immobilize!

enemy running bikers? put them in difficult terrain so they cant turbo boost!

enemy running horde? nuke em!

enemy running heavy infantry? Stack wounds!

**Somnicide**

I use 2-3 thunderfires so they are appreciated in my neck of the woods ;-)

**DEATH89**

Sanctjud wrote:Well...they can't shoot out of it, so other than transporting them onto the board when Dawn of War, the razorback does not augment their durability without reducing offensive power by almost 100%.

Its just more HB's really, 6 in total for long fangs plus RB

**Sanctjud**

The pod is only useful for the TFC in Dawn of War...otherwise it's not worth wasting a round of shooting.
There are other uses for an empty pod though.

The Cover save is only used in ruins...sucks to be him when there are none...and this should happen at some point.

Else, I agree, it's an underdog and I really want to use it, but I just can't justify it over other options in my lists...they all seem good.

**GeneralRetreat**

I think the Techmarine with Plasma Cannon Servitor crew is the most under-rated.

**CatPeeler**

In this era of Mech Galore, I'm convinced that Scout bikers are the nastiest unit in the Vanilla codex. The three-bike unit w/ sgt meltabombs is staggeringly powerful for the points. Even if you splurge and toss in a combi-melta, you're only looking at 85 points.

If the marines go first, their opponent is virtually guaranteed to lose a tank (since the melta & krak bombs auto-hit). If their opponent is savvy to the threat, they almost have to start everything in reserves.

Either way, that's a huge game effect for the cost.

**garret**

Some one help me. Whats TFC?

**Kanluwen**

Thunderfire Cannon.

**Asherian Command**

Thunder Fire Cannon.
Also i think the most unused is a Land Raider Reedemer, and also the Thunder Fire Cannon is never used, and its ignorned because its too squishy for my plasmaphobia.

**pdawg517**

I love the Land Raider Redeemer. Works very well in my Vulkan list. Do you smell roasted power armor?

**Asherian Command**

No I smell massed meltas.

**Grey Templar**

The most under appreciated unit in the SM army.

The humble Honor guard

for half the price of a captain each you get the best armor the chapter can afford. a weapon that will wound most models on a 2+ and can damage most vehicles.

and you get one guy that can really kill ICs and he can take Digital weapons.

They can also get auxilliary grenade launchers, how cool is that?

Ok Ok they really stink

**Shaman**

Thunder hammer termies. I mean who would use those.

TFC is underated but i dont think its good.

**Nurglitch**

Whirlwind.

**JEB_Stuart**

Shaman wrote:Thunder hammer termies. I mean who wouldn't use those?

Fixed

Shaman wrote:TFC is underrated but i don't think its good.

It is both underrated and amazing.