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Hello all,

I did a search but didn't find anything too relevant so thought I would ask.

I'm making a nurgle/death guard army list with the new 5th ed rules (both game and chaos)

So I'll naturally be bringing plague marines, and they have the FnP rule.

My question is, do any icons/marks confer the FnP rule to my, say, sorcerer or terms or havoc squad ?

I don't see anything saying such, but I feel like it should (thus my last ditch effort to find a loophole =)

Thanks

Fabu00 wrote:Hello all,

I did a search but didn't find anything too relevant so thought I would ask.

I'm making a nurgle/death guard army list with the new 5th ed rules (both game and chaos)

So I'll naturally be bringing plague marines, and they have the FnP rule.

My question is, do any icons/marks confer the FnP rule to my, say, sorcerer or terms or havoc squad ?

I don't see anything saying such, but I feel like it should (thus my last ditch effort to find a loophole =)

Thanks

Unless the Icon/Marks say they do, they don't.

Nope, no double dipping.
In addition, Icons do what they do and FNP has nothing to do with Icons...

And welcome to Dakka.

for a true deathguard army with FNP throughout your only options are PLague Marines lead by Typhus.

But to be fair, usign MoN and havign T5 across the board isn't a bad way to be. Expensive, but not bad.

Much thanks guys

No.
As far as I know the only unit with feel no pain is PM

Although possessed have a 1/6th chance of getting fnp

lordrevege wrote:No.
As far as I know the only unit, in the CSM codex,with feel no pain is PM

Although possessed have a 1/6th chance of getting fnp

Added a clarification as that tripped me up without it .

lordrevege wrote:No.
As far as I know the only unit with feel no pain is PM

Although possessed have a 1/6th chance of getting fnp

Typhus as well. Nothing else though.

Can't Fabius Bile upgrade units to give them FNP? I'llhave to check my codex.

Praxiss wrote:Can't Fabius Bile upgrade units to give them FNP? I'llhave to check my codex.

No, he can't.

Praxiss wrote:Can't Fabius Bile upgrade units to give them FNP? I'llhave to check my codex.

Nope, nothing like FNP at all....

Tau can give their battlesuits an upgrade to FNP... but they're not Chaos.

Absolutionis wrote:Tau can give their A battlesuits an upgrade to get FNP... but they're not Chaos.

-Corrected.

Another question:
Do plague marines still have true grit? A lot of the models have a bolter in one hand and a sword or knife (CCW) in the other, so do those models get an extra attack outside of the base profile 1 ?

Look in the entry for Plague Marines, it will answer you there.

Doesn't say anything about it

WEll guess what that means....

why are you being rude?


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I have a legitimate question. Normally a boltgun is a two handed weapon. So the fact that a good portion of my models are single handedly wielding the gun (due to an old rule called true grit) means they have ccw in the other hands.

What I'm asking is now in 5th edition is this still legal? To get the bonus attacks from the CCW weapons.
It arises questions like if so, why can't my friend's space marines start holding boltguns in one hand as well since there is no real rule about true grit.

So instead of being a rude smart ass, think about it before you answer.

Right, so when you are told to see if a unit has a *special rule*, and you find that it doesn't have the *special rule* listed, do you think that:
a) this means they have the rule?
b) this means they dont have the rule?

Perhaps you can see it isnt that legitimate a question, but is, perhaps, a silly question when you have confirmed the unit *does not* have the rule?

It isn't being rude, this is called following the rules of YMDC - you didnt have a question about the way rules work, but if a unit has a special rule or not. I told you where to find this out, you find out it doesnt have the rule, and then claim I'm being rude...

It's been this way since 4th ed. CSM is a 4th ed codex.

Good, Fabu00. Now you feel unwelcome. That's the first step to becoming a part of the community.

Quick, somebody sig puma's post above me.

Does anyone else see my concern?

I have several models holding boltguns and ccws and dont want to play with them only to find out they aren't allowed to be getting that bonus?

They're still in a stage where I can build them with two hands on the boltgun

Fabu00 wrote:Does anyone else see my concern?

I have several models holding boltguns and ccws and dont want to play with them only to find out they aren't allowed to be getting that bonus?

They're still in a stage where I can build them with two hands on the boltgun

Their is no "true grit" anymore.

but look to your codex and see their wargear. they have a pistol, CCW, and Bolter. You do not have to worry about how you model them holding these weapons.

Fabu00 wrote:Does anyone else see my concern?

I have several models holding boltguns and ccws and dont want to play with them only to find out they aren't allowed to be getting that bonus?

They're still in a stage where I can build them with two hands on the boltgun

I think I see what your point is. Don´t worry. "True Grit" might be a thing of the past but was compensated for the Plague Marines ( and other CSM ) by a "full load" ( Bolter, Bolt pistol, CCW ) as default gear. What this means is that your unmodified Plague Marines always have two attacks "base" in melee ( basic one plus one from having pistol&CCW ). Whether you model the pistols and knives/swords has no bearing on the actual functioning of the models. Default gear ( grenades etc. ) WYSIWYG is not something that people raise a fuss over, since in most cases even the official models lack the necessary parts.

Why do they list the marine as having 1 attack if in his gear it lists enough for the marine to have 2 attacks?

Because the attacks offered by 2 close combat weapons are not inherent to a wielder.

There are weapons out there in 40K that actually care about that distinction....ie Wych weapons.

Fabu00 wrote:Why do they list the marine as having 1 attack if in his gear it lists enough for the marine to have 2 attacks?

Bonus from wargear is generally not included in the stat profile unless specifically mentioned.

I see what you're saying, I just dont grasp why.
So if a marine as stated above, charges assaults normally, he gets 3 total attacks, not 2 ?

Fabu00 wrote:I see what you're saying, I just dont grasp why.
So if a marine as stated above, charges assaults normally, he gets 3 total attacks, not 2 ?

Yes. 1 basic + 1 pistol&CCW +1 assault.

Fabu00...did you not read my post.
The distinction is important because there are special rules out there that affect the Attack Bonus of the 2 Close Combat Weapons.

Which is very different from just -1 attack say.