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I have only really come up with a single way with guard that could potentially beat Nob Bikers. This is the Hydra Flak Tank, all shots done by the tank do not allow for the bikers cover save but still they probably would be mad to not bring a pain boy :S Any suggestions?

A Hydra does not prevent the 4+ coversave gained by Ork bikers.

Use str. 8+ Blast Markers instead.

Nob bikers are fierce, but you can deal with them. Load up on S8+ blast markers (you have more access to these than any other codex), melta guns, HK missiles, whatever it takes. Also, just massed fire of any kind, even lasgun, can whittle them down. Treat them like you do Terminators: lots of saves and each one that falls is a bunch of points down the tubes. Get them down a few nobz and force leadership checks and they will bolt.

1. Add Manticores
2. Add PBS(s)
3. ????
4. PROFIT!!

^That. It's as simple as it gets.
Don't forget to bring a stop watch...

3. Tank shock + PBS
4. Callidus assassin + PBS

You can't think of any other way for IG to defeat nob bikers than hydras?? I know it has been said before, but... PBS!

It is the unit that singlehandly(sp?) killed dual nob bikers as a competitive list by simply existing.

Are we looking for an anti-bikers list, or an all comer's list, because PBS will not be looking so tasty when you come up against bugs or anything else with an anti-psyker vibe to it....

No to hydras.
They don't instant kill, nor do they ignore the cover saves that are inherent to nob bikers.

Hydras ignore a very specific cover save.

Manticore, LRBT...anything with a high strength that's large blast.

You're IG, you can deal with them the best.

Also PBS mixed in destroys them.

Dronze wrote:Are we looking for an anti-bikers list, or an all comer's list, because PBS will not be looking so tasty when you come up against bugs or anything else with an anti-psyker vibe to it....

PBS is all-comers. 36" puts you outside of SitW and Hood range.

dumplingman wrote:3. Tank shock + PBS

This doesn't actually work, since you can't reduce their leadership until your movement phase is done.

If you want to LOLERCAT all over Nob Bikers, forever:

Inquisitor Lord, so that you can add a Callidus Assassin.

8-strong PBS. Now max Nob Biker leadership is ... 2.

Callidus Assassin. Her Neural Shredder is Ld8 versus Ld2. Now all your wounds cause instant death. Oh, and it ignores cover. And it's AP1 and ignores FNP. And she doesn't scatter when she arrives from Reserves on a 3+ turn 2 because of an Astropath. So the Nobz get a 5+ invuln save (if they have Cybork) or they just die. And then run away at Ld2 from shooting casualties. And even if they regroup, their max movement is 3".

3x Vendettas so that you can fly around LOLing as you plink the other squad of Nob Bikers.

Another 8 strong PBS squad so that you can make that one run away, too.

Manticores, because you still need 1100 points' worth of units to fill out your army.

Your IG army just won the game on turn 2. Like every time.

sourclams wrote:If you want to LOLERCAT all over Nob Bikers, forever:

Inquisitor Lord, so that you can add a Callidus Assassin.

8-strong PBS. Now max Nob Biker leadership is ... 2.

Callidus Assassin. Her Neural Shredder is Ld8 versus Ld2. Now all your wounds cause instant death. Oh, and it ignores cover. And it's AP1 and ignores FNP. And she doesn't scatter when she arrives from Reserves on a 3+ turn 2 because of an Astropath. So the Nobz get a 5+ invuln save (if they have Cybork) or they just die. And then run away at Ld2 from shooting casualties. And even if they regroup, their max movement is 3".

3x Vendettas so that you can fly around LOLing as you plink the other squad of Nob Bikers.

Another 8 strong PBS squad so that you can make that one run away, too.

Manticores, because you still need 1100 points' worth of units to fill out your army.

Your IG army just won the game on turn 2. Like every time.

Haha, Simply epic

Honestly, a LRBT will insta-gib a nob biker. Put Pask in one to ignore all saves and get instant death.

Is there a guard equivalent to Tau Fish of Fury?

I think the FoF is called bubblewrapping, but I don't know much about it.

dumplingman wrote:3. Tank shock + PBS

Tank shock happens in the movement phase. PBS happens in the shooting phase. If the tank shock fails, then that combo is pointless.

dumplingman wrote:
4. Callidus assassin + PBS

This however, is not. This can destroy an entire unit of Nobz/Nob Bikers.

Also:

5. PBS + Ratling Snipers. Drop their Ld. Kill with a Ratling Sniper. They must test for pinning on Ld 2 (if you took 9 Psykers). Suddenly, they can't do anything for 2 turns. Redirect all your fire elsewhere while Nob Bikers sit their helplessly.

PBS vs. Mob Rule, has there ever been a FAQ on this? Lots of heated debates in the local area.

If they're fearless (11 models is the trigger, not "LD 11"): no effect.

If they are anything else: PBS drops it as usual. The Mob may replace its leadership. That leadership is then reduced.

Iron_Chaos_Brute wrote:If they're fearless (11 models is the trigger, not "LD 11"): no effect.

If they are anything else: PBS drops it as usual. The Mob may replace its leadership. That leadership is then reduced.

I don't agree. I think the PBS drops the leadership no matter if the unit has fearless or not. First of all, no characteristics may ever go above 10 (except vehicle armor values). Also, Mob Rule doesn't state that if you number 11 or more, then your leadership doesn't exist. It just says you gain the Fearless USR. It makes no mention of your leadership. So, in effect, you may replace your leadership with the number of orks in your unit, but since no characteristc may go above 10, then they're leadership 10. For Morale and Pinning checks, they are fearless. The PBS drops their leadership to 2. It doesn't stop them from having the Fearless USR, but they have a lowered leadership for purposes of the Callidus, etc.

Whats PBS?

Psyker Badass Squad

sourclams wrote:If you want to LOLERCAT all over Nob Bikers, forever:

Inquisitor Lord, so that you can add a Callidus Assassin.

8-strong PBS. Now max Nob Biker leadership is ... 2.

Callidus Assassin. Her Neural Shredder is Ld8 versus Ld2. Now all your wounds cause instant death. Oh, and it ignores cover. And it's AP1 and ignores FNP. And she doesn't scatter when she arrives from Reserves on a 3+ turn 2 because of an Astropath. So the Nobz get a 5+ invuln save (if they have Cybork) or they just die. And then run away at Ld2 from shooting casualties. And even if they regroup, their max movement is 3".

3x Vendettas so that you can fly around LOLing as you plink the other squad of Nob Bikers.

Another 8 strong PBS squad so that you can make that one run away, too.

Manticores, because you still need 1100 points' worth of units to fill out your army.

Your IG army just won the game on turn 2. Like every time.

Forgive my ignorance, but for IG to have an assasin and callidus assassin would that require that they be taken as allies? If so, I'm thankful that allies are not allowed in tournaments on this side of the pond.

grankobot wrote:Psyker Badass Squad

Even if it doesn't work this could be a funny way of killing them


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sourclams wrote:If you want to LOLERCAT all over Nob Bikers, forever:

Inquisitor Lord, so that you can add a Callidus Assassin.

8-strong PBS. Now max Nob Biker leadership is ... 2.

Callidus Assassin. Her Neural Shredder is Ld8 versus Ld2. Now all your wounds cause instant death. Oh, and it ignores cover. And it's AP1 and ignores FNP. And she doesn't scatter when she arrives from Reserves on a 3+ turn 2 because of an Astropath. So the Nobz get a 5+ invuln save (if they have Cybork) or they just die. And then run away at Ld2 from shooting casualties. And even if they regroup, their max movement is 3".

3x Vendettas so that you can fly around LOLing as you plink the other squad of Nob Bikers.

Another 8 strong PBS squad so that you can make that one run away, too.

Manticores, because you still need 1100 points' worth of units to fill out your army.

Your IG army just won the game on turn 2. Like every time.

Would just like to add that the phase sword ignores Armour and invulnerable saves in combat so they can't take any saves against cc attacks!

as nob biker's player i can say that IG without pbs is dead IG.
3 nob biker's unit with 4 koptas (TL rokkits, buzzsaw)
koptas scout move then kill some lemann russ, or outflank and kill some leman's. But this pbs ruin it all, you just need to focus all your fire on 1 unit to make that unit test LD for casualities, and then cast lower LD on that unit, result is 1 running unit of biker,s.

olympia wrote: If so, I'm thankful that allies are not allowed in tournaments on this side of the pond.

Why wouldn't allies be allowed? That's utter wackness.

I am going to get a Callidus assassin though. That PBS+Neural Shredder is so awesome. I am beside myself with joy.

olympia wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but for IG to have an assasin and callidus assassin would that require that they be taken as allies? If so, I'm thankful that allies are not allowed in tournaments on this side of the pond.

And I'll just say that I'm thankful that I am on the other side of the pond from you if that's the way tournaments are run on your side.


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Monster Rain wrote:

olympia wrote: If so, I'm thankful that allies are not allowed in tournaments on this side of the pond.

Why wouldn't allies be allowed? That's utter wackness.

I'll take a stab at it and say he is from australia/new zealand part of the world.

Could be totally wrong...

while i concur with using the PBS and Callidus Assassin, i have a question about something mentioned eariler. several people claimed that the Hydra didn't negate cover saves. actually they DO remove turbo boosting cover saves. pg. 51 of the IG codex.

alarmingrick wrote:while i concur with using the PBS and Callidus Assassin, i have a question about something mentioned eariler. several people claimed that the Hydra didn't negate cover saves. actually they DO remove turbo boosting cover saves. pg. 51 of the IG codex.

Right, they remove TURBO-BOOSTING cover saves. However, Ork Warbikers and Nob Bikers ALWAYS have a 4+ cover save, which Hydras do not negate.