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I was playing with a buddy of mine who told me that if i shot at his unit and then assaulted, I would lose my +1 attack. Does that sound right? I couldn't find that in the rule book.

acidchalk wrote:I was playing with a buddy of mine who told me that if i shot at his unit and then assaulted, I would lose my +1 attack. Does that sound right? I couldn't find that in the rule book.

Your buddy is talking .

Or remembering the old True Grit rule, which nothing except Grey Knights have now. Were you using Grey Knights?

Yeah, your buddy is full of poop. Regular Infantry can shoot with Assault weapons in the Shooting phase and attack at full effect (bonus for charging and everything) in the Assault phase. Rapid Fire and Heavy Weapons will prevent a unit from charging, unless it has something like Relentless.

The only thing is if you shoot something, you must assault it. Nothing else changes, enjoy your +1 attack for charging.

Nurglitch wrote:Yeah, your buddy is full of poop. Regular Infantry can shoot with Assault weapons in the Shooting phase and attack at full effect (bonus for charging and everything) in the Assault phase. Rapid Fire and Heavy Weapons will prevent a unit from charging, unless it has something like Relentless.

I thought Relentless allows you to move and shoot, but does not remove the restriction of not being able to assault after firing heavy weapons and rapid fire.

Well, that takes care of that! Thank you!

Brother Ramses wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:Yeah, your buddy is full of poop. Regular Infantry can shoot with Assault weapons in the Shooting phase and attack at full effect (bonus for charging and everything) in the Assault phase. Rapid Fire and Heavy Weapons will prevent a unit from charging, unless it has something like Relentless.

I thought Relentless allows you to move and shoot, but does not remove the restriction of not being able to assault after firing heavy weapons and rapid fire.

It does remove the restriction, as it says "and are also allowed to assault in the same turn they fire them."

Ahh, ok. Thinking about it, I have never played or played against a unit with Relentless.

And if you wipe out unit in shooting phase, you cannot charge at anything else during assault phase, or you can pick up another target for assault (as original target has been destroyed)?

You cannot assault anything.

If you fired a rapid fire weapon, or a heavy weapon you could not assault.
However if you fired an asasult weapon, or a pistol weapon, you could still assualt.

Your buddy is probably remembering earlier editions where firing in the shooting phase did take away your +1 attack for charging, but that rule has gone the way of the dodo.

Brother Ramses wrote:You cannot assault anything.

With one exception: if you destroy a transport vehicle with embarked troops you can assault the troops inside.

On the part of destroying a transport...

What if it's not a dedicated transport?

My understanding was that a dedicated transport was part of the unit, and thus you could blow it up, and then take on whatever was inside. But a transport that was bought separately wasn't part of the unit and thus you couldn't.

Or am I totally off base?

Your understanding is incorrect. Read p67, and see what it tells you is different between dedicated and nondedicated

In short: dedicated transsport, in fact NO vehicle, is ever ever ever part of the transported unit. Ever. They may not take up any extra *slots*, and be treated as the same unit slot type (e.g. troops, heavy), but they are not the same UNIT.

Brother Ramses wrote:Ahh, ok. Thinking about it, I have never played or played against a unit with Relentless.

you've never played with/against Terminators? I wish i had your opponents. terminators are a good way to ruin a necron players day.

In addition to terminators, that means never playing against any bikes, Oblits, Crisis Suits, Jump Infantry, etc.

oh yeah, termies just sprang to mind first.


Don't Oblits have S+P....i thought S+P was basically Relentless with a movement modifier?

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:You cannot assault anything.

With one exception: if you destroy a transport vehicle with embarked troops you can assault the troops inside.

Those devastators at the other end of the table are looking pretty promising, aren't they?

DruidODurham wrote:In addition to terminators, that means never playing against any bikes, Oblits, Crisis Suits, Jump Infantry, etc.

Jump Infantry are not relentless.

Jump Infantry (Jet Packs) are however

Right, my bad. Proctoring an SAT right now, so I don't have my rulebook to double. The point though is that if you've played a couple games against SMs, CSMs, or Tau, you've probably seen something that's relentless.

He could be playing against orks.

Nightwatch wrote:He could be playing against orks.

Deffkoptas are relentless, as are Meganobs, as are Nob Bikers, as are Warbikers.

Though I will be fair, none of them benefit from it as none of them have Heavy/Rapid Fire Weapons