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Hello Dakkites,

So my local group wants to transition into WFB and I have little interest in build a whole new army right now. I wondering if I changed a few bases, but the round guys in movement trays, would I be able to make an ok fantasy army our of my 40k daemons.

This what I got that isn’t 40k specific.

TONS of Tzeench
Like 4 chariots, many horrors, flamers and screamers.

Lots of Nurgle.
PBs, nurglings and Beasts(made from fleshhounds). Also got a wicked DP made from a giant, can WFB Daemons get giants?

Little bit of Slaanesh
~10 Daemonettes, ~10 mounted daemonettes

No Khorne

All help appreciated.

Thanks!

As I understand it, the biggest difference between 40K DoC and WFB DoC is the bases - WFB uses square bases so that everything ranks up. So... cut square pieces of thin wood or plastic, figure out some way to have them attach (and still be detachtable, magnets are my recomendation) to your round bases, and match the decor to your current basing technique. And away you go!

Fair warning, be prepared for accusations of cheeze! and munchkin! whenever you field it. I don't know about 40K, but in WFB DoC is pretty grossly overpowered.

The fun part about DoC in 40k is how mediocre they are. They aren't terrible by any means, but they aren't destroying anyone's day, either.

In Fantasy, they arguably broke the game, so you will likely be met with a good deal of resistance or people who will play you once and that's it. This is especially true if you decide to run Mono-Tz, which is a little unfortunate because according your list of models you already have all but the Lord of Change/Kairos to lead that army.

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:TONS of Tzeench
Like 4 chariots, many horrors, flamers and screamers.

Nice!

GDoT (buy one!) as Lord
3 Heralds of Tz on Chariots

blocks of 10 Horrors as Core

Flamers as Rare.

You're fluffy mono-Tzeentch, which is awesome!

I also have a Chaos Daemons army that I use in both Fantasy and 40K. I used square bases on all of my models so they will rank up. Since the square bases are slightly larger than the round bases (ie. they are basically round bases with 4 corners sticking out), I have never had any issue with anyone I have played against in 40K, as this makes them slightly more vulnerable to template weapons. Although, I have never found this to make much of a difference in actual gameplay.

If you plan to play in any 40K tournaments, obviously this solution won't work and you'll have to follow Vulcan's advise above and make removable square bases. I would ask your club in advance if they have any issues playing a 40K army with square bases, it could save you a lot of time and effort.

As for their viability, they can be a frustrating army to play in 40K, as your deep strike scatter / reserve rolls will more or less make or break their performance in that game. In WHFB they will virtually always dominate any opponent. They are currently the most overpowered army in the game. They are fun to play with, but you may soon find yourself out of opponents that want to play against you.

I actually already have a Fateweaver, but I have to figure out how to go back and forth between square and round bases.

I’ve never played fantasy and I don’t plan on playing that much so I doubt I’ll be trashing people anytime soon. I was just curios if what I had would make a balanced list which it sounds like it will.

Would it be ok for my horrors/ranked troops to just slip them into movement trays? As a non fantasy player it seems like that would be square enough for combats and such.

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:I actually already have a Fateweaver, but I have to figure out how to go back and forth between square and round bases.

The easiest thing would probably be to glue tiny magnets under the bottom of your round bases and just put an equally small magnet under a square base. They aren't very expensive when bought in small bulk and you can get cheap square 20mm bases from all kinds of non-GW places online. I just picked up a pack of 40 20mm bases for $5 from an ebay store, less than half the price of GW's last I checked.

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote: I’ve never played fantasy and I don’t plan on playing that much so I doubt I’ll be trashing people anytime soon. I was just curios if what I had would make a balanced list which it sounds like it will.

I suppose that would really depend on the word 'balance' and how you view it. You will win by grossly overwhelming magic control (if running mono-Tz). You will not win by shooting or combat or by controlling your exposure to psychology. If this is balanced to you, then sure; it's balanced. Obviously the more variety you put the list the more you can participate in those other phases. You will likely trounce most other lists and especially people who don't know what's coming or don't tailor their list against yours. Even if they know what's coming, if the list isn't tailored to beat yours (High Elf anti-fireball), it's often still difficult at best.

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:Would it be ok for my horrors/ranked troops to just slip them into movement trays? As a non fantasy player it seems like that would be square enough for combats and such.

Yes, but unless you put magnets in there you might have issues with things moving around and lining up.

I suppose capable was more what I meant than balanced.

And I’ll trust everyone that daemons are broken, but it seems to me the opinion thrown around the forum is the army will win regardless of who’s behind it, and even in the most broken of systems I have never found that to be true. I think giving prospective players the notion they are going to run off competition just by playing a particular army is somewhat incomplete if not disingenuous.

But that aside, thanks for the help.

I think it'd be awesome if you went with a mono-god tzeentch army, like JWDD said. It's pretty easy to try making up some lists in army builder, and then all you have to do is change the bases (or afix them to something square, like Vulcan suggested).

Cheers for another fantasy player

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:I suppose capable was more what I meant than balanced.

And I’ll trust everyone that daemons are broken, but it seems to me the opinion thrown around the forum is the army will win regardless of who’s behind it, and even in the most broken of systems I have never found that to be true. I think giving prospective players the notion they are going to run off competition just by playing a particular army is somewhat incomplete if not disingenuous.

But that aside, thanks for the help.

Obviously, there is some hyperbole. A complete fool playing Daemons will be easily beaten by a good player with a better army. But I think when you look at the choices in your book compared to other people, and also when you get a few games under your belt, you'll be able to see why the army generates such animosity. It's very poorly designed. I would still happily play a daemon player though. I like a good challenge. (My Orcs and Goblins don't stand much chance against a halfway decent daemon player though).

It is unfortunate for people like yourself who just want to play Daemons because they already have the models for the 40K army, or they just like the look of them.

Except for greater daemons and flamers I keep all my daemons on round bases. Why, because they rank up easier that way in a movement tray, you can keep turning them until they fit in the line (found this especially true for daemonettes and bloodletters).

@gardeth

That’s a really good point. I did own some wood elves for awhile and it took forever getting them to fit right in the tray because they kept poking and pushing each other.

u might be able to keep the circle bases on them and just use the movement trays from LOTR i believe they have holes for circle bases

They're the wrong size, unfortunately.

ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote: I did own some wood elves for awhile and it took forever getting them to fit right in the tray because they kept poking and pushing each other.

Gotta hate those frisky elves!