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Don't mind him - apparently 'Be Less Kontrarian " wasn't on his 2014 Resolutions List!
On more recent releases...
Does anyone else feel that the "Forever Evil" storyline is taking too long to move along? It feels like it is taking...forever (!) to get anywhere already.
Especially as all the main characters involved are moving forward in their respective solo books.
Why do people hat aquaman so much? that's the question that keeps me awake at night. His stuff in the new52 is awesome, and pre-52 with the waterhand was also amazing.
I don't - and his New 52 stuff is right up there with the best of the re-launch.
In fact, I put it right up there next to the new Wonder Woman in terms of overall quality, whereas the new Batman stuff took a serious dip with the overly long Joker storyline, and the new Superman stuff just hasn't been that good to begin with.
Alpharius wrote: Does anyone else feel that the "Forever Evil" storyline is taking too long to move along? It feels like it is taking...forever (!) to get anywhere already.
Especially as all the main characters involved are moving forward in their respective solo books.
It is kinda weird, isn't it? You have this slow-moving, seemingly majorly impactful event going on, but the non-JL books aren't tied in at all. It gives the impression that DC didn't know exactly how to handle the whole thing. I would have been fine to see 6 months or whatever devoted to a DC universe with the villains in charge and the remaining heroes under the gun. But then I guess they kinda covered that ground with the 52 event?
I actually like some of the details, Crime Syndicate backgrounds, etc. that we're getting, but it's slow, no doubt. I think the slow pace is also magnified by the lack of tie-ins. It just doesn't seem like a lot is going on. Especially since Forever Evil seems to be setting up something else, namely...
Spoiler:
It has to be Darkseid that chased the CS from the Earth-3 universe, right? We know from the Darkseid villains one-shot, Earth-2 book, Superman & Batman, etc. that Darkseid's been universe-hopping and killing Supermen.
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Disney's Lucasfilm and Marvel Entertainment Join Forces to Publish Star Wars Comics and Graphic Novels
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Jedi, Sith, and the Rest of the Star Wars Universe Come to Marvel Comics in 2015
The Walt Disney Company's Lucasfilm Ltd. and Marvel Entertainment are joining forces to bring new Star Wars adventures to readers across the galaxy, with Marvel granted exclusive rights to create and publish Star Wars comics and graphic novels beginning in 2015.
The agreement marks a homecoming for the Star Wars comic books. Marvel Comics published the first Star Wars comic book, Star Wars #1, in March 1977, which went on to sell more than 1 million copies. Marvel Comics published its Star Wars series for nine years. In 1991, Dark Horse Comics took over the license, publishing fan favorite titles like Dark Empire and Star Wars: Legacy. Last year, Dark Horse released The Star Wars #1, an adaptation of George Lucas' original rough-draft screenplay for the film, garnering rave reviews and national media attention and ranking among the top-selling Star Wars comics of all time.
"Dark Horse Comics published exceptional Star Wars comics for over 20 years, and we will always be grateful for their enormous contributions to the mythos, and the terrific partnership that we had," said Carol Roeder, director of Lucasfilm franchise publishing, Disney Publishing Worldwide. "In 2015, the cosmic adventures of Luke, Han, Leia, and Chewbacca will make the lightspeed jump back to Marvel, to begin a new age of adventures within the Star Wars universe."
"We here at Marvel could not be more excited to continue the publication of Star Wars comic books and graphic novels," said Marvel worldwide publisher and president, Dan Buckley. "The perennial brand of Star Wars is one of the most iconic in entertainment history and we are honored to have the opportunity to bring our creative talent pool to continue, and expand Star Wars into galaxies far, far away."
"We're incredibly excited by this next chapter in the Star Wars saga," said Andrew B. Sugerman, executive vice president of Disney Publishing Worldwide. "Bringing together the iconic Lucasfilm and Marvel brands to tell new stories will allow us to continue to thrill lovers of the original Star Wars comic books and entertain generations to come."
Marvel has continued to push comic book publishing forward with innovations and experiments like motion comics and digital-only releases, in addition to its deep, ongoing catalog of monthly series and graphic novels created by some of the industry's most gifted artists and writers.
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Least surprising news since the sale....
.... hope Dark Horse have some contingences ready.....
One wonders if this might be how they'll deal with the continuity issues....?
.. Just write off anything from DH they don't like or want and use Marvel as the new 52 err official continuity.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
So...we've had "Deadpool kills the Marvel Universe". Time for "Deadpool kills the Star Wars universe"? I'd probably be okay with reading that. Lol. Also, we can determine if lightsabers really do cut through everything-Luke vs Wolverine.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind.
The original origin story for Harley Quinn goes something like this; she is a psychiatrist, who eventually falls in love with the Joker and very much against his wishes becomes obsessed with him.
This is a strong willed and determined though misguided Harley Quinn.
The new origin story goes like this; she is a psychiatrist, whom the Joker tries hard to groom and woo, takes advantage of her, and drops her unwillingly in a vat of acid thus "creating" her.
This is a Harley Quinn that is nothing more than the aftermath of some crazy guy, who is a victim more than anything.
A friend told me that there is an issue of Suicide Squad (IIRC) that implies that "this" Harley isn't actually Harleen Quinzel, but rather a fangirl of a fangirl (i.e. a fan of the 'real' Harley Quinn), and the real Harley is dead or missing or something. I can't source the claim unfortunately, so I can't speak to its veracity.
I'm really just getting back into comics after not giving a damn about them for almost a decade, The New 52 revamp wasn't quite enough to get me to do it (though it was a step in the right direction) but the September villains month did it for me (that and the fact that Harley Quinn got her own series again), I have a lot of catching up to do, gotta buy up some of the compilations/graphic novels or whatever they're called and read up, specifically all the Batman (and Harley Quinn), Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Deathstroke, and Aquaman titles (favorite characters). In non-DC related news, I've been picking up Samurai Jack, X, Captain Midnight, and "The Star Wars" (based on the original screenplay by GL, as in the really weird version not at all like the movies). I'm guessing "The Star Wars" is probably being canceled at the end of this year though... really not a Marvel fan whatsoever, I hate their approach of "write the story to fit the artwork", seems ass-backwards to me, and has resulted in what I consider to be an absolute mess of a setting.
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CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Kanluwen wrote:Devoured my 3 paperback collections of Green Arrow. #1: The Midas Touch--really enjoyed it. Established Oliver as a douche which was important, and set up the ethos. #2: Triple Threat--was interesting to see Oliver out of the city and in the wilderness. #3: Harrow--the social crusader aspect shows up in force. Plus he gets made fun of by Green Lantern which was hilarious.
Thanks for the list. Green Arrow is one of my favourite DC heroes and I was hoping to get my hands on some more pre-reboot stuff. I read The Longbow Hunters, but didn't like it a lot.
Pipxeroth wrote:Why do people hat aquaman so much? that's the question that keeps me awake at night. His stuff in the new52 is awesome, and pre-52 with the waterhand was also amazing.
I agree. He's an easy target, but the new stuff was pretty good. But I'm going to drop it anyway and here's why:
I think I may be done with DC. At least anything new they put out. I've been following some of the Bat-stuff but it kinda went downhill with Death of the Family. Almost everything in the New 52 seems to be grim and gritty just for the hell of it. Batman keeps shoving Saw-levels of violence in my face and DotF added nothing to the Joker/Batman relationship I haven't read better from Paul Dini, Frank Miller, Alan Moore and even Kevin Smith (sue me, but I really liked the talk they had in the hospital). The last Catwoman trade I read suffered from the Joker tie-in as well while complety stomping on everything I liked about her before the reboot. I hear good things about Red Hood, but I really don't feel like spending money on it. Then I read the final story with Damien and decided I had enough. He was the last DC character I really liked. Superman wasn't very interesting either and Green Lantern bored me to tears. Flash seems to be the only character who still has fun in this new universe but apart from that I feel DC has nothing to offer me anymore.
So yeah, that was my short rant on the new 52. I don't mind to, because IDW's TMNT and Ghostbusters are both excellent and Marvel keeps putting out quality material as well. Seriously, how awesome is Superior Spider-Man. I read the 3rd trade, No Escape, over christmas and it completly blew me away. SpOck is so much fun. Still evil and pretty violent, but yet so much more entertaining than the New 52.
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Huh, see I like the dark grittyness of DC, much moreso than Marvel which I feel is generally campy and lacks any real sense of gravity. I haven't had a chance to read the issues I picked up, but I hear Larfleeze is supposed to be somewhat humorous (if you're into the (Orange) Lantern Corps).
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
Anung Un Rama, I dumped all my comic subs a couple of months ago -- almost all were DC titles and almost all were Bat-family. The major reason I dropped them is because I couldn't keep up reading them and have a space shortage and comics can't compete with games on that score. But I didn't feel too awful bad because I share many of your thoughts on the Bat titles.
I also still read the new TMNT but only in trade. It's great!
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I've been trying to phase out comics too. It's not the cheapest hobby and they do end up taking up a lot of room like you said. My strategy was to simply drop a title as soon as I lose interst or think it's just treading water. However, I must admit that's been going on for like two years now because I keep picking up other titles. So overall my pull list ends up having a pretty consistent number of titles.
Kanluwen wrote:Devoured my 3 paperback collections of Green Arrow.
#1: The Midas Touch--really enjoyed it. Established Oliver as a douche which was important, and set up the ethos.
#2: Triple Threat--was interesting to see Oliver out of the city and in the wilderness.
#3: Harrow--the social crusader aspect shows up in force. Plus he gets made fun of by Green Lantern which was hilarious.
Thanks for the list. Green Arrow is one of my favourite DC heroes and I was hoping to get my hands on some more pre-reboot stuff. I read The Longbow Hunters, but didn't like it a lot.
Bear in mind that all 3 of those are New 52 titles.
Kanluwen wrote:Devoured my 3 paperback collections of Green Arrow.
#1: The Midas Touch--really enjoyed it. Established Oliver as a douche which was important, and set up the ethos.
#2: Triple Threat--was interesting to see Oliver out of the city and in the wilderness.
#3: Harrow--the social crusader aspect shows up in force. Plus he gets made fun of by Green Lantern which was hilarious.
Thanks for the list. Green Arrow is one of my favourite DC heroes and I was hoping to get my hands on some more pre-reboot stuff. I read The Longbow Hunters, but didn't like it a lot.
Bear in mind that all 3 of those are New 52 titles.
Ah. Well in that case I pass. I prefer my Oliver Queen middle-aged.
I was only reading a few issues per month (none by the end) but shelling out nearly $100 per month. I kept telling myself I would catch up and get back into it but none of the stories grabbed me and the paper was piling up and up. So I made a clean break and haven't really looked back. I can dive into my substantial back issue pile as/when I feel the hunger.
I went stopped buying comics as a matter of course about 12 years ago.
The last one I bought was a tie-in for Deus Ex: Human revolution (back or side story on the main character) out of curiosity - as I didn't have a platform capable of playing the game and no interest in upgrading to one.
Still have a handful of Dark Horse ALIENS stuff, though. Not getting rid of them. The rest went into a skip. Especially the DC Sandman graphic novels that I tried in vain for several years to dispose of.
I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
That is not dead which can eternal lie ...
... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
George Lucas said that the Star Wars universe exists, essentially, in two versions. There’s his one, and then there’s the one everybody else can play with.
In effect, this meant that anybody writing Star Wars outside of the six main movies (to date) was expected to adhere to one another’s work and create story lines that were consistent with one another.
And then, whenever Lucas himself went on to create a new “core” story for the Saga, he had permission to overwrite or ignore anything from that “Expanded Universe.”
But now, Lucasfilm are looking to rework the system and destroy this hierarchy.
Leland Chee is employed by the company on their Story Team and has been answering questions on Twitter about how it all works.
Here’s the thrust of what he was saying, in quotes from his feed, and folding a question into the answer:
Star Wars Canon is now determined by the Lucasfilm Story Group which [Pablo Hidalgo] and I are both a part of.
Story Group has a hand in all facets of Star Wars storytelling, including movies, TV, games, and publishing. More so than ever, the canon field will serve us internally simply for classification rather than setting hierarchy.
[Disposing of the hierarchy and having one cohesive canon is] definitely a primary goal of the Story Group.
What will this mean in practice? Well, tossing out the hierarchy isn’t necessarily the same as scrapping the Expanded Universe. Not necessarily. And if it was that simple, then Story Group would have a very easy job and might only need five minutes to accomplish it.
Last summer, I was repeatedly hearing fairly strong rumours were that Episode VII pays absolutely no attention to the Expanded Universe. That’s why I’ve never been pushing the notion that our new, young leads would include Mara Jade or Jaina or whoever else the EU gave rise to.
Now… now I’m wondering if, perhaps, they might. That kind of weaving of EU in the main movies would certainly explain the purpose of Story Group, anyway.
Anyway, it’s clear that Lucasfilm and Disney want to tie all new Star Wars anythings into the same continuity, and I can’t say I blame them.
Begun the canon wars have.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
I don't really know what Star Wars' die hard fans think of the Canon heirachy system. Do they like it? Does it result in less dumb arguments than 40Ks everything and nothing is canon approach?
KamikazeCanuck wrote: I don't really know what Star Wars' die hard fans think of the Canon heirachy system. Do they like it? Does it result in less dumb arguments than 40Ks everything and nothing is canon approach?
I was under the impression that if it wasnt A New Hope, Empire, or Jedi, then it was considered "Extended Universe" and so may or may not be considered canon... as in the EU stuff is kinda like "if X is true, then Y happened here" sorts of things.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: I don't really know what Star Wars' die hard fans think of the Canon heirachy system. Do they like it? Does it result in less dumb arguments than 40Ks everything and nothing is canon approach?
I was under the impression that if it wasnt A New Hope, Empire, or Jedi, then it was considered "Extended Universe" and so may or may not be considered canon... as in the EU stuff is kinda like "if X is true, then Y happened here" sorts of things.
No, Star Wars has a detailed ranking system for its canon. Couldn't help but notice you basically declared episode 1-3 non-canon. It's canon....sorry.
I think this is amazing news. Star Wars was, for me at least, always more than just the movies. I grew up more on the EU stuff, Thrawn trilogy, Young Jedi Knights, the videogames, so the fact the Disney actually wants to combine the movies with EU makes me very happy.
As long as they keep out Death Trooper, that one was terrible.
Comics Alliance wrote:It was never a matter of if, but when Peter Parker would come back. A year ago this week, Marvel launched Superior Spider-Man, a classic mind-swap story that saw Doctor Octopus switch minds with Peter Parker, then proceed to take over both his personal and heroic life. It was a pretty standard mind swap premise, but with a bit of a twist: shortly after Doctor Octopus forced the switch, his body — which was now occupied by Peter Parker’s mind — died, seemingly giving the villain a final victory over his hated rival. But it was never meant to last, of course. And today, Marvel has announced the anticipated return of Peter Parker as Spider-Man, with a new era for the character beginning in April’s Amazing Spider-Man #1 by Dan Slott and Humberto Ramos, marking the return of the flagship title for the publisher’s most popular hero. Slott spoke to the Daily News about the return of Peter Parker, and how difficult it was to keep the character’s return a secret from fans for the past 13 months, a move that meant lying to fans of all ages: “To do that for a solid year of my life, that’s the hardest thing I’ve had to do — to look small children in the eye at a convention and lie to them. One of them with an honest-to-God Little League uniform and a quivering lip. Inside, part of me was dying.” At the time, removing Peter Parker from the Marvel universe, and replacing him with arguably his greatest adversary, was a controversial move. Many readers, and at least one Marvel employee, were not immediately on board. “It would have been great if you took a photo of my face at that time. I was not very thrilled,” confessed Marvel Editor in Chief Axel Alonso of Slott’s initial pitch, made during one of Marvel’s editorial retreats a few years ago. “Let’s just say that as cynical as the hard-core fanboy was, I was more cynical.” Alonso believes that Peter Parker’s absence will ultimately give some fans a better appreciation of him, adding that he feels some longtime readers “have been taking him for granted.” And while many will be pleased to know that Marvel’s flagship character is returning to the webs, anyone familiar with Spider-Man’s history likely knows it won’t be that easy. “There’s a twist,” says Slott. “There’s always a twist.”
Seriously though, I'm looking forwards to this. I'm enjoying Superior (though I haven't picked it up for a couple of weeks due to lack of funds) but the whole "blargh! Doc Ock is arrogant and thinks everyone is beneath him.. Oh no! it backfired!" schtick is getting a tired (though still fun). ASM #700 was the first comic book I ever read (the news stories about it were what got me interested in comics) so I'm interested to see about life before the octopus.
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I thought his name was just Mephisto? or is there another demon called mephistopheles? (I ask because I've only heard the references to a new day or a whole new day or whatever it was called in real life, but the second arc of the current deadpool comic involved Mephisto).
But yeah, I don't think anyone is hoping that he'll be involved.
If I had to hazard a guess; barring any weird supernatural involvement, I would go with the octobot that was used to perform the switch having some sort of record of Parker's Mind in.
My other theory relates to:
Spoiler:
In #6 or #7, Doc Ock "deletes" the remnants of Parker's conciousness from his mind, which is visualised as a building collapsing on top of a mental image of parker. If I remember correctly, there is a scene in a recent issue where Doc Ock is in emotional turmoil due to some sort of decision (I can't check as I'm in bedford but my comics are at a freind's in sheffield), and there is a panel that comes out of the blue with a silhouette image of a pile of rubble being thrown upwards by someone/thing. followed by Doc Ock making a decision and saving the day. Now my other theory is that this was a representation of Parker's remnants resurfacing and "undeleting" themselves, and that these remnants will in some way re-assert themselves as the owner of the body. (add in the fact that Carlie Cooper realised that SM was getting all his money from Doc Ock's accounts, and I think she'll be pretty heavily involved as well.
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