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At what point exactly did the traitor legions adopt their current armour and equipment, at what point did they change their colours?

Did the World Eaters at Isstvan V and the Siege of Terror go into battle with their old-school whites and blues? All the while screaming praises to the Blood God, painting their armour red the old-fashioned way? Were the Emperor's Children still resplentent in their imperial purples and gold? Perhaps with hasty Slaaneshi runes carves across the breasts of their once-proud aquilas...

Their armour has remained the same since the heresy if possible. Otherwise they mainly wear scavenged armour from fallen loyalists, taking whatever pieces are in better condition than theirs (source=Soul Hunter). Without the forge worlds & manufactories it's kind of hard for traitor legions to build new suits of armour. As for the colors I don't know when those changed.

I beleive they just paint the armour and add glyphs and icons to there armour they capture. Plus i think the warp repairs there armour too for them....( i havent seen that many beaky chaos spacemarines...)

I know the Word Bearers adopted their current scheme BEFORE the siege of Terra, as they went to Calth in Red and Silver. But all the same, the Warp really fuses their armor to the more crazed folks. I'm guessing with said fusion, the more collected legions, Alpha Legion and Word Bearers for example, are simply using stocks of stolen armor from any time period, Pre-Heresy and onwards.

After the Siege of Terra, the participating World Eaters were so covered in dried blood that they left their armor red, eventually painting it and bathing it in blood.

Emperor's Children defaced their armor as much as they could. They'd rip off or destroy the imperial eagle on their chest and they began to paint their armor in REALLY bright pinks and other hues since they were now seeing everything in technicolor.

The Death Guards stayed the same it just corroded and mutated abit.

10k years of following nurgle can certainly take their toll.

Shadowbrand wrote:The Death Guards stayed the same it just corroded and mutated abit.

10k years of following nurgle can certainly take their toll.

More like a thousand at most. So far, for all of the Legions, time in the Warp has been going by MUCH FASTER than in realspace. I know the Word Bearers in the novels say they have barely seen a millenia since the Emperor 'died'.

Ah, sorry I always pictured them as ancient warriors.

I am aware though the warp messes up time, But the idea of ancient warriors bent on revenge is cool to me.

To be fair, the Deathguard could easily pass for 10000.

I think, at least for the cult troops, it had more to do with the Chaos Gods then anyone saying: "Attention Battle Brothers, please report to the Great Hall for arts and crafts. Today, we're doing finger painting, and then defacing the armor of the False-Emperor. GLORY TO THE DARK GODS!!!"

Thousand Sons: Is there anything Tzeentch can keep his grubby, way changing mitts of of?
Nurgle: It's already been said. Grandfather Nurgle's gifts aren't great for armor maintenance.
Khorne: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!
Slaanesh: Probably modified to have access panels for the EC's... "power weapons." And speakers, like, everywhere.

The Forces of Chaos also have access to Chaos Forges in the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom, as well as any that may have gone renegade. Many of these can retool to produce things for the CSM. Thats why there are the variants of chaos armor that are visible much more different than just scavenged and repaired.

The focus of this question is largely on the Emperor's Children, as I'd really like to do a "Mid Heresy EC" army at some point, and like the idea of the old purple and gold embellished with Slaaneshi runes, the Imperial eagle hastily scratched over and the like

BrotherStynier wrote:The Forces of Chaos also have access to Chaos Forges in the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom, as well as any that may have gone renegade. Many of these can retool to produce things for the CSM. Thats why there are the variants of chaos armor that are visible much more different than just scavenged and repaired.

The only confirmed forgeworlds in the Eye are Ghalmek of the Word Bearers, which is about as important as Sicarus, Lorgar's seat of power, and Medrengard probably fits the bill just fine. Other than that, a few Imperial forge worlds have been known to fall to Chaos, either via corruption or invasion. Of course, these newly conquered forge world would certainly have access to newer power armor patterns, so it seems reasonable that they'd upgrade.

the only legion to change its color scheme since turning to chaos was the black legion.

Upon the death of horus they painted their armor black.

Kythras wrote:The focus of this question is largely on the Emperor's Children, as I'd really like to do a "Mid Heresy EC" army at some point, and like the idea of the old purple and gold embellished with Slaaneshi runes, the Imperial eagle hastily scratched over and the like

Completely plausible. You'll need a lot of converting though. Marks 4 and 5 are the two you'd see mostly among them. The only issue is the EC really didn't WORSHIP slaanesh just yet. They knew they were devoted to a greater being, but they ad no clue who. Only after Fulgrim was taken over and had time to spread 'the truth' did they really begin to worship. But defaced eagles, since only they were allowed to wear them, is utterly possible.


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blaktoof wrote:the only legion to change its color scheme since turning to chaos was the black legion.

Upon the death of horus they painted their armor black.

HAHA WHAT?! You realize World Eaters were blue and white before, right? And Death Guard are giant balls of infestation and messed up armor, not pale white. Oh, and let's not forget Thousand Sons who once were RED. Oooo, and EC who are now dominantly ANYTHING they want, so long as its bright.

Word Bearers shifted before, but they turned to Chaos WAAAAY before the Heresy, so I'd count them too.

Lupe wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:The Forces of Chaos also have access to Chaos Forges in the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom, as well as any that may have gone renegade. Many of these can retool to produce things for the CSM. Thats why there are the variants of chaos armor that are visible much more different than just scavenged and repaired.

The only confirmed forgeworlds in the Eye are Ghalmek of the Word Bearers, which is about as important as Sicarus, Lorgar's seat of power, and Medrengard probably fits the bill just fine. Other than that, a few Imperial forge worlds have been known to fall to Chaos, either via corruption or invasion. Of course, these newly conquered forge world would certainly have access to newer power armor patterns, so it seems reasonable that they'd upgrade.

Those are the only ones referenced in the books. How ever several other articles, codex fluff and common sense say there are more than that.

BrotherStynier wrote:

Lupe wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:The Forces of Chaos also have access to Chaos Forges in the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom, as well as any that may have gone renegade. Many of these can retool to produce things for the CSM. Thats why there are the variants of chaos armor that are visible much more different than just scavenged and repaired.

The only confirmed forgeworlds in the Eye are Ghalmek of the Word Bearers, which is about as important as Sicarus, Lorgar's seat of power, and Medrengard probably fits the bill just fine. Other than that, a few Imperial forge worlds have been known to fall to Chaos, either via corruption or invasion. Of course, these newly conquered forge world would certainly have access to newer power armor patterns, so it seems reasonable that they'd upgrade.

Those are the only ones referenced in the books. How ever several other articles, codex fluff and common sense say there are more than that.

Actually, fluff says there are very few forge worlds the chaos legions can ever make use of. Raiding runs are the most common way to gain any armor back, and more often than nought they'll be salvaging parts. The Word Bearers and Black Legion are two of the only exceptions to this. Word Bearers are probably the most organized legion, a lot of infighting but still together. Black legion is held together by Abadabadon. A lot of Black Legion marines question his rule and want to 'dethrone' him.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

Lupe wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:The Forces of Chaos also have access to Chaos Forges in the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom, as well as any that may have gone renegade. Many of these can retool to produce things for the CSM. Thats why there are the variants of chaos armor that are visible much more different than just scavenged and repaired.

The only confirmed forgeworlds in the Eye are Ghalmek of the Word Bearers, which is about as important as Sicarus, Lorgar's seat of power, and Medrengard probably fits the bill just fine. Other than that, a few Imperial forge worlds have been known to fall to Chaos, either via corruption or invasion. Of course, these newly conquered forge world would certainly have access to newer power armor patterns, so it seems reasonable that they'd upgrade.

Those are the only ones referenced in the books. How ever several other articles, codex fluff and common sense say there are more than that.

Actually, fluff says there are very few forge worlds the chaos legions can ever make use of. Raiding runs are the most common way to gain any armor back, and more often than nought they'll be salvaging parts. The Word Bearers and Black Legion are two of the only exceptions to this. Word Bearers are probably the most organized legion, a lot of infighting but still together. Black legion is held together by Abadabadon. A lot of Black Legion marines question his rule and want to 'dethrone' him.

You forget the fluff that mentions Daemon Forges and the Dark Mechanicus, both produce weapons and equipment usable by the forces of chaos. You also forget the Iron Warriors, who are most likely the most organized Legion as, unless I am mistaken they still operate together, or from a single world.

BrotherStynier wrote:

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

Lupe wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:The Forces of Chaos also have access to Chaos Forges in the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom, as well as any that may have gone renegade. Many of these can retool to produce things for the CSM. Thats why there are the variants of chaos armor that are visible much more different than just scavenged and repaired.

The only confirmed forgeworlds in the Eye are Ghalmek of the Word Bearers, which is about as important as Sicarus, Lorgar's seat of power, and Medrengard probably fits the bill just fine. Other than that, a few Imperial forge worlds have been known to fall to Chaos, either via corruption or invasion. Of course, these newly conquered forge world would certainly have access to newer power armor patterns, so it seems reasonable that they'd upgrade.

Those are the only ones referenced in the books. How ever several other articles, codex fluff and common sense say there are more than that.

Actually, fluff says there are very few forge worlds the chaos legions can ever make use of. Raiding runs are the most common way to gain any armor back, and more often than nought they'll be salvaging parts. The Word Bearers and Black Legion are two of the only exceptions to this. Word Bearers are probably the most organized legion, a lot of infighting but still together. Black legion is held together by Abadabadon. A lot of Black Legion marines question his rule and want to 'dethrone' him.

You forget the fluff that mentions Daemon Forges and the Dark Mechanicus, both produce weapons and equipment usable by the forces of chaos. You also forget the Iron Warriors, who are most likely the most organized Legion as, unless I am mistaken they still operate together, or from a single world.

Iron Warriors are actually relatively splintered from what I know of.

Daemon forges make daemon engines and such and are usually only found on Forge Worlds.

The Dark Mechanicus IS the Black Legion's forge worlds. They work for Abaddon as he gets 'em the goods. Why do you think Obliterator armor is black?

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

Lupe wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:The Forces of Chaos also have access to Chaos Forges in the Eye of Terror and Maelstrom, as well as any that may have gone renegade. Many of these can retool to produce things for the CSM. Thats why there are the variants of chaos armor that are visible much more different than just scavenged and repaired.

The only confirmed forgeworlds in the Eye are Ghalmek of the Word Bearers, which is about as important as Sicarus, Lorgar's seat of power, and Medrengard probably fits the bill just fine. Other than that, a few Imperial forge worlds have been known to fall to Chaos, either via corruption or invasion. Of course, these newly conquered forge world would certainly have access to newer power armor patterns, so it seems reasonable that they'd upgrade.

Those are the only ones referenced in the books. How ever several other articles, codex fluff and common sense say there are more than that.

Actually, fluff says there are very few forge worlds the chaos legions can ever make use of. Raiding runs are the most common way to gain any armor back, and more often than nought they'll be salvaging parts. The Word Bearers and Black Legion are two of the only exceptions to this. Word Bearers are probably the most organized legion, a lot of infighting but still together. Black legion is held together by Abadabadon. A lot of Black Legion marines question his rule and want to 'dethrone' him.

You forget the fluff that mentions Daemon Forges and the Dark Mechanicus, both produce weapons and equipment usable by the forces of chaos. You also forget the Iron Warriors, who are most likely the most organized Legion as, unless I am mistaken they still operate together, or from a single world.

Iron Warriors are actually relatively splintered from what I know of.

Daemon forges make daemon engines and such and are usually only found on Forge Worlds.

The Dark Mechanicus IS the Black Legion's forge worlds. They work for Abaddon as he gets 'em the goods. Why do you think Obliterator armor is black?

Obliterator armor is the color of what ever faction they serve. Word Bearers Oblits are red. Dark Mech serves who they want.

Noooo... The Dark mechanicus is strictly under the service of Abaddon. And Obliterators hail from the Dark Mechanicum as they're monstrosities made from a mix of technology and astartes.

Where do you get that the Dark Mech is entirely in the service of Abbadon?


The first Obliterators hailed from the Iron Warriors Legion, which according to your theory would be quite impossible.

Isnt that because the iron warriors dont need no stinking mechanicum? (chaos or not)

Obliterators wern't they made from a virus

yeah they were isnt it called the Tech Virus or somthing like that?
anyway most chapters changed colour when they started worshiping chaos. how they re-supply armour and weapons besides scavenging really shouldn't matter that much considering that they dont have any new recruits or stuff like that they just use the armour of all their dead comrades.

sc0ttfree wrote:yeah they were isnt it called the Tech Virus or somthing like that?
anyway most chapters changed colour when they started worshiping chaos. how they re-supply armour and weapons besides scavenging really shouldn't matter that much considering that they dont have any new recruits or stuff like that they just use the armour of all their dead comrades.

That's where you're wrong. They do indeed have new recruits. A good portion of them actually recruit from wherever they can. Word Bearers have a whole damn world of sacrifices to look for recruits in.

There is a forge world Yana II in the Eye of Terror which produes every thing for legions(for the price,source Imperial Armor 6).

Carlovonsexron wrote:Isnt that because the iron warriors dont need no stinking mechanicum? (chaos or not)

No its because it was a Virus, it spread to numerous Legions and Renegade Chapters.

Lorgar's_Blessed wrote:Noooo... The Dark mechanicus is strictly under the service of Abaddon. And Obliterators hail from the Dark Mechanicum as they're monstrosities made from a mix of technology and astartes.

Can you point me to some background that supports that as from what I've found that's not the case going by the fluff Obliterators are a self serving group who will work for whoever can provided them with tech there's one quote in the codex that mentions that chaos legions have fought campaigns just to secure a piece of tech that the obliterator cult wants so that the legion can call upon there services at a later date I suspect that's the case with the black legion they've given the Obliterators tech and keep giving them tech to secure there service.

Also and this is just a guess but i reckon there are several different groups that we tend to lump together as dark mechanicus there is a true dark mechanicus who are a true dark version of the mechanicus they serve no single legion but will instead work for a price there probably connected to the obliterator cult which would explain there constant hunger for new (old) tech.

There there are individuals and small groups of tech priest that have turned or been turned to chaos these probably are in service to the legions

Then there are the Iron warriors they seem to be separate and make use of the obliterator virus for more than just the creation of corrupted marines