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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 12:22:19
Subject: A fourth human species-cool!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/8f3e63fe-3758-11df-9176-00144feabdc0.html
Gene research reveals fourth human species
By Clive Cookson in London
Published: March 24 2010 18:45 | Last updated: March 24 2010 18:45
A fourth type of hominid, besides Neanderthals, modern humans and the tiny “hobbit”, was living as recently as 40,000 years ago, according to research published in the journal Nature.
The discovery by Svante Pääbo and colleagues at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, is based on DNA sequences from a finger bone fragment discovered in a Siberian cave.
EDITOR’S CHOICE
Science briefing: Biofuel breakthrough - Feb-26Public losing faith in science - Feb-22Science briefing: Tracking cancer changes - Feb-19Scientists discover the secret of ageing - Feb-15Genome of balding Arctic ancestor decoded - Feb-10Skin cells turned directly into neurons - Jan-28It further enriches the scientific picture of human life in the recent geological past. “Forty thousand years ago the planet was more crowded than we thought,” said Terry Brown, an expert in ancient DNA at Manchester University.
Until recently scientists believed there were just two members of the genus Homo alive at the time: Neanderthals whose ancestors left Africa 400,000 years ago, and modern humans, who left about 50,000 years ago. The picture changed in 2003 when archaeologists found remains of a third species, the tiny “hobbit”, which had survived on the Indonesian island of Flores until 14,000 years ago.
The identification of a fourth species is potentially more significant because it was not an isolated population but lived in the centre of the Eurasian continent, where Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens were also present.
The Leipzig team extracted DNA from a child’s finger bone, which Russian archaeologists discovered with other hominid bone fragments in Denisova Cave, a well known Neanderthal site in Russia’s Altai Mountains.
The site’s exceptional cold helped preserve enough DNA to be read with the latest gene sequencing technology.
The scientists first decoded the “mitochondrial” DNA. It was human but, to their astonishment, very different from Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals.
The differences imply that the ancestors of the still unnamed Siberian hominid diverged from the human family tree about 1m years ago, well before the split between Neanderthals and modern hominids about 500,000 years ago. The results also suggest a previously unsuspected migration out of Africa about 1m years ago, said Prof Pääbo.
He expects within months to decode the hominid’s “nuclear” DNA. That will be compared with the modern human and Neanderthal genomes.
Until more of the new hominid’s DNA has been analysed – or larger pieces of bone discovered – it will not be possible to say much about its physical or cultural characteristics, or how it interacted with other human species.
But one thing is clear: it must have clothed itself in thick furs to withstand the Siberian winter, said Prof Pääbo: “It would have been a bit colder 40,000 years ago than today, and it was -40°C when we went there this January.”
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 13:25:04
Subject: A fourth human species-cool!
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Tunneling Trygon
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Wow, that is awesome, especially for me, a guy who loves prehistoric life.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 13:43:52
Subject: A fourth human species-cool!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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So thats what happened to grandpa!
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2010/03/25 14:33:16
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 15:13:14
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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So, basically, they discovered that midgets are real?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 16:09:28
Subject: Re:A fourth human species-cool!
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Confessor Of Sins
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Err deceiving title...
Human does = Homonid....
But I'm not so sure Homonid = Human all the time...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 16:14:38
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Not sure why they put mitochondrial and nuclear in quotes...they are real organelles.
“It would have been a bit colder 40,000 years ago than today, and it was -40°C when we went there this January.”
40K B.C.
In the grim darkness of the far past, there is only cold.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 18:25:24
Subject: A fourth human species-cool!
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RogueSangre
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Frazz, why didn't you just right these guys and tell them? I mean, I bet you knew a few of them quite well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 18:45:53
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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I did, they didn't believe me.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 18:51:32
Subject: A fourth human species-cool!
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Sadly Fraz, these days you need pictures or it didn't happen :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 19:16:03
Subject: Re:A fourth human species-cool!
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Excellent Exalted Champion of Chaos
Grim Forgotten Nihilist Forest.
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I got to learn about this in Biology the other day.
And pre-history is probably my favorite subject well atleast in educational bounds.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 19:41:57
Subject: Re:A fourth human species-cool!
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
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This is an indeed a great discovery!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 21:27:50
Subject: Re:A fourth human species-cool!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So THATS what happened to the Squats. They built some time machine that back fired, and they all landed way back then. Pretty cool
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 21:29:19
Subject: Re:A fourth human species-cool!
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Anointed Dark Priest of Chaos
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But have they located The Shire?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/25 21:34:21
Subject: A fourth human species-cool!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Just East Farthing.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 02:50:06
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
In a Toyota, plotting revenge.
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Tim the Biovore wrote:Wow, that is awesome, especially for me, a guy who loves prehistoric life.
seconded! This is indeed, great news!
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metallifan said: I almost wonder is "Matt Ward" another pen name for C.S. Goto?
metallifan said: The Imperium would probably love Hitler...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 04:16:01
Subject: A fourth human species-cool!
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[DCM]
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Could they be a toaster?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 04:29:52
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Member of the Malleus
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The four main species of Homonid:
Homo Sapien
Neandethal
Austrolopithicus
Frazzled's Family
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 04:32:20
Subject: A fourth human species-cool!
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Solahma
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What a shame our species is alone now. Although, on the other hand, we have enough trouble with rather shallow differences between homo sapiens. Can you imagine the heyday modern bigots would have over a species divide?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 07:08:06
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Manchu wrote:What a shame our species is alone now. Although, on the other hand, we have enough trouble with rather shallow differences between homo sapiens. Can you imagine the heyday modern bigots would have over a species divide?
Unlike the tau.
Who are in a situation where the different sub species do get along.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 11:21:30
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Manchu wrote:What a shame our species is alone now. Although, on the other hand, we have enough trouble with rather shallow differences between homo sapiens. Can you imagine the heyday modern bigots would have over a species divide?
How do you think there got to be only one species?
And Waughy you're off, they would have been Colonials and Bylons. I wonder if they will discover mitochondria from a leggy blond?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 11:42:31
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Manchu wrote:What a shame our species is alone now. Although, on the other hand, we have enough trouble with rather shallow differences between homo sapiens. Can you imagine the heyday modern bigots would have over a species divide?
Our species is alone because the other species did not take Thunderdome seriously.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 12:11:45
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Two men enter, one man leaves!
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2010/03/26 17:39:25
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Fixture of Dakka
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But one thing is clear: it must have clothed itself in thick furs to withstand the Siberian winter, said Prof Pääbo: “It would have been a bit colder 40,000 years ago than today, and it was -40°C when we went there this January.”
It was the global warming that did 'em in.
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