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Basically if you had to tag each race as having different alignments according to the DND 9 alignment system, what would you put each race?

Compared to another works of fiction, everyone in 40k is pure evil. inside their own referance pool, here's a handy-dandy pic:

this works, I was looking for something like that, thanks.

And Tyranids fall into this category:

shouldn't Chaos be chaotic evil?

I agree, but Dark Eldar are for more Chaotic Evil then even chaos.

Neutral Evil I never really understood. Probably more like the guy who would witness a rape and observe rather then report.

Chaotic Evil= Insane does w/e the feth he/she wishes.

Lawfull evil, Think any recent dictatorship. Evil but with rules.

The Unending wrote:shouldn't Chaos be chaotic evil?

No. I see why you'd think that, but they do whatever will get them their way. They are some of the most selfish beings in this game, and will do anything, lawful or unlawful to help their cause. Dark Eldar on the other hand, seek only to destroy, with no law, no regard for any order. Comorragh is an anarchy in its fullest form. It is ruled by no individual, and the Cabals only exist so they can work together to wreak more havoc.


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Shadowbrand wrote:I agree, but Dark Eldar are for more Chaotic Evil then even chaos.

Neutral Evil I never really understood. Probably more like the guy who would witness a rape and observe rather then report.

Chaotic Evil= Insane does w/e the feth he/she wishes.

Lawfull evil, Think any recent dictatorship. Evil but with rules.

Neutral Evil= completely self-serving. They'll do whatever is required to help themselves out, no matter what it does to anyone. They'd just as soon destroy a government as they would make one if only to better their own well-being.

So basically a parasite? I see.

I never thought of it that way, but yeah... that works I guess.

It's just hard to grasp orks as chaotic neutral. They really don't seem like the "true individual" seems more or less to me they are along the lines of chaotic evil too because they too seek only to destroy, with no law, no regard for any order. etc.

What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.

Cheese Elemental wrote:What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.

How can you possibly say that? it's the 'Greater Good!' What the hell is wrong you with you?

I would also put forth that the eldar are lawful good as all eldar fluff talks about them restraining them selves and adhering to a path. Not exactly chaotic. Chaotic good would be something along the lines of the space wolves.

ZekeWN wrote:It's just hard to grasp orks as chaotic neutral. They really don't seem like the "true individual" seems more or less to me they are along the lines of chaotic evil too because they too seek only to destroy, with no law, no regard for any order. etc.

Orks don't fight to destroy. They fight for the sake of fighting. They don't care if you're the good guys or the villains, they'll hit you anyway.

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.

How can you possibly say that? it's the 'Greater Good!' What the hell is wrong you with you?

'Greater Good' does not mean 'good intentions'.

I'd also place the Eldar on a True Neutral position. They'll sacrifice entire planets to save a few of their own kind and go about doing things that benefit their race as a whole instead of doing the right thing the right way.

The closest you'd get to Lawful Good in 40k would be one of the more humane SM chapters. Blood Ravens come to mind, as they're less xenophobic than other Imperial forces and try to save civilians first despite their dark past. Salamanders have a history of prioritising civilians and Guardsmen for protection, as do Space Wolves.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.

How can you possibly say that? it's the 'Greater Good!' What the hell is wrong you with you?

'Greater Good' does not mean 'good intentions'.

I'd also place the Eldar on a True Neutral position. They'll sacrifice entire planets to save a few of their own kind and go about doing things that benefit their race as a whole instead of doing the right thing the right way.

The closest you'd get to Lawful Good in 40k would be one of the more humane SM chapters. Blood Ravens come to mind, as they're less xenophobic than other Imperial forces and try to save civilians first despite their dark past. Salamanders have a history of prioritising civilians and Guardsmen for protection, as do Space Wolves.

I was being incredibly sarcastic.

Sarcasm can be hard to get through the web-net, crazypsyko.
I think CSMs are pretty much every Evil alignment.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:What? Tau are as far from Good as you can get. Lawful, definitely, but good? They brainwashed the Vespid and sterilise human allies.

How can you possibly say that? it's the 'Greater Good!' What the hell is wrong you with you?

'Greater Good' does not mean 'good intentions'.

I'd also place the Eldar on a True Neutral position. They'll sacrifice entire planets to save a few of their own kind and go about doing things that benefit their race as a whole instead of doing the right thing the right way.

The closest you'd get to Lawful Good in 40k would be one of the more humane SM chapters. Blood Ravens come to mind, as they're less xenophobic than other Imperial forces and try to save civilians first despite their dark past. Salamanders have a history of prioritising civilians and Guardsmen for protection, as do Space Wolves.

I'm with you on the Salamanders, Cheese. But the others I'm not so sure about. The Space Wolves don't really mention much on their care for civilians, although they do respect guardsmen if they fight, fart and even half as good as they do.

Blood Ravens seem willing enough to ally themselves with Xenos if it serves a greater purpose, but again, there's none of that 'goody' feeling or moral high ground like the Salamanders have.

alexwars1 wrote:Sarcasm can be hard to get through the web-net, crazypsyko.
I think CSMs are pretty much every Evil alignment.

Yeah, I know. It doesn't stop it from being frustrating. They've been trying to make an official end-of-sentence sarcasm symbol. I'm all for it.

with alot of these things it varies from chaper to chapter or craftworld to craftworld ect.
but i think it does a pretty good job of summarising everything.
(the Alpha Legion should be lawful evil but world eaters are chaotic evil) that sort of averaging

I think Eldar should be kept as chaotic good vs. lawful good. They generally seem to do the right thing for the galaxy, but from a mostly human perspective, Eldar are random in their showings and dealings, and that would classify them as chaotic.

I'll do it by faction, I think- because there are many lawful neutral factions to my mind.

Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Salamanders, Imperial Fists and Crimson Fists (Last two might be more neutral than good), certain Inquisitors: Lawful Good
Certain Inquisitors, Tanith First and Only, Tau: Neutral Good
Space Wolves, certain Inquisitors: Chaotic Good
Eldar on all Paths except the Outcast, Most Imperial forces not in other categories, Farsight Tau: Lawful Neutral.
Tyranids: True Neutral.
Orks (argument to be made that they are chaotic evil), Eldar on the Path of the Outcast, certain Inquisitors, certain Imperial Gaurd regiments, unstable Marine chapters such as the Flesh Tearers: Chaotic Neutral.
Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, Necrons, Thousand Sons, Death Gaurd, certain Inquisitors, Blood Pact: Lawful Evil
Black Legion, Night Lords, Dark Eldar (chaotic evil might work too), many chaos cultists, certain inquisitors: Neutral Evil
World Eaters, Emperors Children, many chaos cultists, certain inquistitors: Chaotic Evil (you could add orks and dark eldar in here, depending on your perspective.

The Orks aren't evil, to be truely evil you have to understand what you are doing. Chaotic fits the Orks because of their complete lack of a master plan. They are Neutral because as Luke_Prowler stated they don't care who you are they fight because it's natural to them.

Besides you don't get more Chaotic Evil then the Dark Eldar. They understand Chaos better then anyone, and the most 'noble' thing any of them do is torture other creatures to save their own miserable hides so that they can keep torturing. This is why I love them so much.

Da Boss, you can put inquisitor in every single one of those categories

And IMO nothing the Imperium falls under the "Good"category, since all they do is always in the interest of their species alone. They will sometimes go out of their to help a xenos or something, but that's usually to prevent some big bad from happening.

Good and evil is by perspective, and in this universe the perspective is usually shown from the side of the imeperium/emperor(or at least what they imagine the emperor would've wanted). What is good for the imperium is good in terms of alignment. Chaos is evil, the inquisition is good(albeit doing cruel and torturous things , just as chaos does). I agree with the graphic above with the above said change that certain aspects of chaos might be lawful/chaotic/neutral(same with different aspects of the imperium). Tyranids I think would be true neutral (om nom nom summarizes this pretty well).

Um i think Tau should be Neutral Good.

Imperium Chaotic Neutral

Chaos Chaotic Evil

Eldar Good Neutral

Dark Eldar Chaotic Evil

Tyranid WHO KNOWS

Necrons Neutral Evil

Corennus wrote:Um i think Tau should be Neutral Good.

Imperium Chaotic Neutral

Chaos Chaotic Evil

Eldar Good Neutral

Dark Eldar Chaotic Evil

Tyranid WHO KNOWS

Necrons Neutral Evil

Imperium: Makes no sense why they'd be listed here.

Chaos: They don't -just- kill, destroy, and corrupt for no reason. They always do what they do for a bigger picture. They can do good things if they benefit from them.

Eldar: Again, makes no sense. Kill a million beings of another race, just to save one Eldar? Find me the good in that.

Dark Eldar: They already -are- Chaotic evil. They do horrible things just because they want to. Not because it necessarily benefits whatever cause they're striving for. As well, you can't have two of the same classifications in an alignment wheel.

Tyranids: Don't really fall into any classification. Hence the NomNom poster. All that's going through their heads is "Food!"

Necrons make sense where they are - they have a system to their Genocide. It's one they've followed for millions of years, and they don't break from it - even if it means disaster for them.

'Nids are true neutral. They don't care. They're wildlife. Dangerous, carnivorous, omnicidal wildlife.'

Also, IG are under similar alignments as the rest of the imperium (with exception to the sorroritas, who are definitely a lawful neutral group.)

crazypsyko666 wrote:'Nids are true neutral. They don't care. They're wildlife. Dangerous, carnivorous, omnicidal wildlife.

No they aren't. The Hive Mind is intelligent enough to co-ordinate trillions of life-forms at once, and some Tyranids like Hive Tyrants, Warriors and Genestealers are very intelligent indeed.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:'Nids are true neutral. They don't care. They're wildlife. Dangerous, carnivorous, omnicidal wildlife.

No they aren't. The Hive Mind is intelligent enough to co-ordinate trillions of life-forms at once, and some Tyranids like Hive Tyrants, Warriors and Genestealers are very intelligent indeed.

But do they care? Are they inherintly evil? Do they have a system of laws? In D&D, wildlife is always in true neutral alignment, from mice to giant man-eating krakens. It doesn't matter how intelligent they are. 'Nids don't have any morality, so they are neutral.