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Okay, hear me out.

I'm starting to think about a second army (I won't start buying for a long old while yet).

I'd like Eldar mostly for fluff reasons - but most of the other players in my circle have an Eldar force.

I don't like Dark Eldar fluff (what there is of it) and frankly, I don't like playing bad guys.

How plausable is it to play Eldar (Using >50% Eldar models), but use the DE codex? As in use the DE warrior stats for my guardians etc?

I'm not too aversed to using some of the DE vehicles because they are groovy looking and I can take the spikes off them - but it's important that the army is Eldar in fluff terms.


(I'm aware that the DE codex is fairly anemic these days, I can live with that).

Generally speaking, there's very little issue that I've heard by using your Eldar as proxies for DE troops. Obviously you would have to go through what your army is actually representing with your opponent.

If you did significant conversions to "spikify" the models, you might be able to pull it off:
- Autarch as Lord
- Avengers as Warriors
- Banshees as Wyches
- Scorpions as Incubi
- Hawks as Hellions

You used to be able to play eldar as pirates. pirates are somewhat close to dark eldar. the first dark eldar were eldar painted differently with different fluff. so it's fine to use them as dark eldar. i'd do a renegade eldar force, or an outcast one. i'd maybe use harlequins as wyches.

I think I wasn't clear.

I don't want to use Eldar models as DE - I want to use DE rules for Eldar.

I want a Craftworld Eldar army - but without using the Eldar Codex.

The Codex is the type of army you have. DE Codex = DE army (with Eldar mini's).

Does this come under "you can't have your cake and eat it too" ?

Anyone else getting confused?

I think that you should deal with the codex given to you.

don't worry about it, the eldar codex is fine as it is. Plus, DE can't have holo-fields.

Azezel wrote:I think I wasn't clear.

I don't want to use Eldar models as DE - I want to use DE rules for Eldar.

I want a Craftworld Eldar army - but without using the Eldar Codex.

How they are painted, their fluff etc. is not relevant to the rules you use to play them. So, you're saying the same thing. If you want to use DE rules for your Craftworld Eldar army, that's fine. But it's the same thing as using Eldar models as DE. You still have to proxy the stuff.

@OP: if you're not liking the replies (and they're pretty fair), maybe you should rethink your army concept?

You're all right - the problem is on my end.

Sorry folks.

Mmm... playing DE woth the Eldar codex is possible, but what you say... ok it's possible and you can do it, but why do you want to?

Mostly 'cos I know a lot of people who play vanilla Eldar.

But now I'm thinking instead of playing codex musical chairs I'd be better of using the propper 'dex and making my army my own through unique and flavourful fluff and build.

I'm thinking HQ: Twin sisters, one a Farseer, one an Autarch, different, yet inseperable, night and day. I love shining Spears, so I'll use a lot of them, and a cool colour scheme. Maybe black and silver?

I recon that the Fantasy 'Aristocratic Vampire' could make an awesome Farseer with a little converting. (The Autarch would naturally be on a Jetbike because it's so cool).


So... Yeah, thanks Dakka - you have helped me.

Azezel wrote:Mostly 'cos I know a lot of people who play vanilla Eldar.

But now I'm thinking instead of playing codex musical chairs I'd be better of using the propper 'dex and making my army my own through unique and flavourful fluff and build.

I'm thinking HQ: Twin sisters, one a Farseer, one an Autarch, different, yet inseperable, night and day. I love shining Spears, so I'll use a lot of them, and a cool colour scheme. Maybe black and silver?

I recon that the Fantasy 'Aristocratic Vampire' could make an awesome Farseer with a little converting. (The Autarch would naturally be on a Jetbike because it's so cool).


So... Yeah, thanks Dakka - you have helped me.

Well, nice idea you have, have luck and enjoy! ^^

I was planning on doing the same thing (twin Farseer/Autarch, both on jetbikes) and there's a fluffy battle report on Dakka I read a week ago that had twin sister Farseers, so heads up that it doesn't seem to be a vastly unique idea. Shining spears are certainly unique though, I haven't ever seen any fielded before!

If you don't mind waiting, a new Dark Eldar codex is hiding just beyond the horizon. Nobody can say how counts-as happy with Craftworld Eldar it'll be, but you never know.

Dammit!

Nah, seriously, I suppose it's just confirmation that it's a cool idea if two other people also had it and ran/will run with it.

For the record - I had pictured my Autarch on a jetbike, but not my Farseer - she's the reserved, level-headed one who hangs out in the Wave serpent.

It'll be unique in my neck of the woods, though, and that's about all a chap can ask of life.

sounds nice