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My friend has 3 squads of 10 GK Terme's, and 2 more w/ his HQ.
and 2 squads of 10 Grey Knight Marines

And the Dang Sniper Assassin,

We game 3000 pts.

Me w/ my 2 squads of 30 Ork foots (shootas), 15 lootas, 15 Burna Boys (need them power weapons), 10 Tank Bustas,
10 Nobs,( 2 PK, 2 Big Choppas, 1 t-l shoota, 3 Chop/slugs, 1 waaagh banner, Pain Boy, Cybork Bodys)
3 Trukk Boys w/ Slug/Chops, 2 Battle wagons, 3 Deff Dreads, 16 Storm Boys, 5 Deff koptas w/t-l rokkets,
warlord, and Mek w/ Kustom FF. (warlord, mek and Nobs all in 1 Basket (Wagon)

Deff Koptas are held in Reserve for the flank attack, everything else rushes. But w/ the Termi's 3or4 attacks each. When i get into combat, SMASH! "needless to say im not rushing Termis till they are at least 1/4 Strength.

And im going to mob at least 2 Mobs to one of his.

simply swamp one unit with all your trrops at once and focus fire on that unit as well.

Agreed, swarm tactics with the orks usually makes for a bad day for your opponent! Hey... Da Orkz Gatta Eat!

Against Grey Knights, orkz have very little to worry about, especially if they're not running armour. Simply swamp him. Just make sure you don't let anything valuable get into combat with his Grand Master, as it'll absolutely rape anything it touches, without question.

drop the tank bustas. . .oh and at 3000 points field around 120-180 boyz see how his GK deal with that

Consider killa kans with kustom mega blastas... S8, AP2 at BS3, plus dreadnought CCWs should they get close. People with terminators get fidgety when you take away their precious 2+ save.

Does he take an Inquisitor? he has to to get the vindicare assassin.

that list of your friends can pump out 106 storm bolter shots a turn.

Minimize the shooting he can do. if he gets to shoot you for 2-3 turns you will lose even 120+ boyz very fast.

you want to get to CC fast, but you still need numbers. if you send a 20 man squad of boyz against 10 PAGKs the GKs will win.

the GKs will hit your normal boyz on 3s in CC and wound on 2s so most of their attacks will wound and kill.

you should have a 3 to 1 ratio of boyz to PAGKs to kill them.

Don't send a PK nob to kill the GM, you can't target the GM in CC when his retinue is still alive.

the assassin will be likely killing your boy mob nobs to reduce their effectivness in CC.

unless you are really close to them, Shooting the GKs will be ineffective because of Shrouding and you poor BS.

Dear Lord, I'd love to take a 3,000 point ork list against Grey Knights!!!

10 grey knight terminators, tank shocked into formation, then burninated by units of 15 burnas. Usually terminators come in units of 5, and I can only ever get 75 hits (works out to 38 wounds, 6 dead terminators on average) but in 3k, I could comfortably field two units of them.

As someone who plays Grey Knights...Snickrot p the back with Commandos will screw up GK tactics big time.

So how about 2) 3 kan mobs, 3 Deff Dreads, 2 big meks (2 deff dreads count as troops) w/ Big 'Urty guns (Shock attack guns) and 3 mobs of 15 Lootas, and the rest Shoota boys.?

He has no Armour: His list is atop.

Huffy wrote:drop the tank bustas. . .oh and at 3000 points field around 120-180 boyz see how his GK deal with that

yes he has it right. Also more burna boyz too, those are always rough for me to deal with, maybe in a trukk?

as long as he doesn't do a LandRaider crusader spam list.

he can just sit in the LRs on top of objectives while you bang uselessly on the sides and he is shooting all weapons all the while.

If he's not running a lot of armour, just swamp him with boyz... not too hard.

Owain wrote:If he's not running a lot of armour, just swamp him with boyz... not too hard.

GK without armor means more GK boots on the board. Sounds simple when you have 100+ boyz...but I don't know if you understand the pain these guys bring in assault....AFTER you get through all the stormbolter fire.

Not saying that Knight are superior to Orks...but they are superior to boyz...outnumber me 5 to 1 with boyz...I am still feeling confident.

Thoughts for me: 2 Shock attack guns = Big Hurt! Dreads will go full speed, and soak up the Storm Bolters, kans glanced on 6's. (Dread Combat Weapons = More Big Hurt) Lootas will make him take them saves. Shoota boys will do the same as lootas, but shoot away as they advance, droping a few Grey Knights so i wont get hit with 30 to 40 shots/attacks.

I agree with above posters, swamp them.
They may be tough, but they are very expensive, so there will never be a lot of them.

In my 2000 point list, there are 48 models.
In my 2000 points ORK list, there are 128 models.

Also, his army list is illegal.
The twenty termies he has with his HQ requires 2 Grey Knight heroes. (2 HQ)
The thirty termies he has in elites requires 3 FoC slots.
The assassin requires an inquisitor (1 elit slot for the assassin, and either a HQ or elite slot for the inquisitor)

This means he has either:
3 HQs and 4 elites.
2 HQs and 5 elites.
Or an assassin without the inquisitor, which cannot happen.

Just nerf his list to death and have done with him!

S_P

Since you are playing an illegal list, my first bit of advice is make him clean the list up and make it legal.

2 big mek w/ kff - 170
2 10 man nob squads 2 pk, 2 bc, cybork, waaagh! banner, bp, battlewagon w/ deff rolla and red paint- 950
6 mobs of 30 shootas - 3 big shoota, nob w/ pk and bp -1350
3 squadrons of 3 killa kanz with kmb - 495

That is 2965, 213 models. Before the charge you should get 9 S8 AP2 shots at BS3, 54 S5 AP5 shots at BS2, and 312 S4 AP5 shots at BS2. That is only counting one round of shooting before the assault due to shrouding. You will definitely get some big shoota and KMB shots in as you cross the board, shrouding or no. 375 shots is nothing to scoff at before the charge regardless of BS. Throw in my 5+ inv save from the mek and those storm bolters just got a little less scary.

The 2 battlewagons rush forward, defrolling and such. Try to isolate a squad of PAGK, defroll 'em, then charge them with a mob of nobs. The whole time your opponent is trying to deal with the nobz, you have 2 meks protecting 9 kanz and 180 boyz that are moving and shooting across the board.

That list should make you GK buddy just cry.

I think he means to say...2 more terminators...not two more squads

Though I could be wrong...that amount of bodies only gets me up to 2300 out of 3000 without wargear or any kind of armor.


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this would mean a hero with retinue, a lord, an assassin, two squads of termies, 2 squads of PAGK


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many people often use army builder and forget that it should add minimum 3 termies for a retinue when it in fact only adds two

Inigo Montoya wrote: ( Before the charge you should get 9 S8 AP2 shots at BS3, 54 S5 AP5 shots at BS2, and 312 S4 AP5 shots at BS2. That is only counting one round of shooting before the assault due to shrouding. You will definitely get some big shoota and KMB shots in as you cross the board, shrouding or no. 375 shots is nothing to scoff at before the charge regardless of BS. Throw in my 5+ inv save from the mek and those storm bolters just got a little less scary.)




Yea, sounds nasty, thanks for taking the time to add all that up.

But i still love the Idea of the Pain boy giving the nobs Feel No Pain 4+. i got to fit him in some how.

i tend to agree with the crowd here. swarming his guys as fast as possible, focusing on one unit a time will put a hurt on him. i would almost suggest loading up 20 boys in a battlewagon, and do this as many times as posible. no need to upgrade with anything, except maybe some rokkits or shootas. if all he has is Gk termies and or marines, his effective anti tank will be nill. (psycannons and storm bolters wont touch armour 14, plus being embarked will shield you from his sniper) drive up your 4-5 battlewagons, drop off 40-50 boys plus your nobs and swarm the frootloops outa him. while your in CC use the BW as los blockers to prevent the other units shooting you when CC is over, then load up, charge again and so on. i would suggest that for the grand master, he will have problems trying to fight a warboss and a kitted out nob unit. yea, youll loose a few nobs and your boss might take a hit or 2... but with all those powerclaws, all it takes is one failed save and hes squig food.

also FNP wont do much against his termies or GM since they are power weapons at that level. only against his shooting, or marines will it really help. id suggest an almost better use of points is grab a 30+ strong unit of boys, tool them for CC, give em eavy armour, and attach a warphead. all you need is 1 "ere we go" and you just got the best transport in the game. itll take a turn before you charge.... but time it right and with some luck, you can charge along side whatever the above mentioned BW's drop off; marines will have a hell of a time killing 30 boys with 4+ saves.

Right on. Thanks for your Input.