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hey dakka dakka
i was just wondering why are the minifigs so expensive i found the cheapest entire set was battle for skull pass or something likethat
it had an army of dwarves and an army of goblins
it was around $80 and that was fantasy battle

also if i have alot of chaos space marines from all different chapters can i make an army with them?
do they all have to be in the same chapter to play legitley?

also could a make a hybrid army of say tau and empieral guardsmen?

can i make a mix of empieral guardsmen and imperial space marines? i know in the books they often work together

also is the painting and putting together hard? it looks hard

is this the right place for this thread? im new here if not where can i put threads like this?

1) Because people like to be payed for their time and effort

2) Yes, just use Codex: Chaos Marines

3) There used to be rules for including humans in Tau armies, but just guys with lasguns.

4) Yes, refer to Codex: Space Marines, Codex: Imperial Guard, and/or Codex: Daemonhunters

5) Depends on the person

6) Yes.

Ok thanks for the info.

Okay, I'll bite.

Minis are that expensive because:

a) People will pay that much (capitalism in action, baby!)

b) Making a single injection mould costs upwards of £50'000

c) GW employees like to eat.


Chaos Marines of different LEGIONS (not chapters if they're Chaos) can be included in the same army, but it's iffy for some to work together.

A hybrid army of Tau and Imperial Guard is right out.

Painting and Modeling is as easy or hard as you want it to be. But like most things worth doing, you should do it to the best of your ability.


Oh, and those keys on either side of your keyboard, the ones with arrows on them, they allow you to type capital letters at the start of sentences.

Azezel wrote:Chaos Marines of different LEGIONS (not chapters if they're Chaos)

Newly turned CSM can be in chapters, rather than legions.

And technically legions don't really exist any more - you just have themed "chaos war bands" to represent them.

Minifigs are expensive because they enjoy people ranting about high prices, then doing nothing. This is how the get their kicks.

Oh? I heard it was because each one was hand carved from the bones of heroes, and lubricated with the tears of angels. but I could be wrong.

Plastic is oil based, oil is expensive.
Shipping is expensive.
The previously mentined cost of the moulds.
Games Workshop have High Street stores, High Street rent is ridiculously expensive.
Utility bills (electric) are also high at the moment and are not likely to go down.
After all costs & wages are paid they still need to make a profit.

I'm not on a good wage but personally I don't find the miniatures that expensive when you consider the work invovled getting that small piece of plastic to the shop shelf.

ashanu90 wrote:i was just wondering why are the minifigs so expensive i found the cheapest entire set was battle for skull pass or something likethat

Because people will pay that much, and the overheads on plastic mouds like that are quite high.

ashanu90 wrote:also if i have alot of chaos space marines from all different chapters can i make an army with them?
do they all have to be in the same chapter to play legitley?

Ok, first, Chaos Marines don't really have 'chapters' - they're either regular CSM and just painted to be different warbands or a mix of Cult and Regular CSM. All can be included in any army, however they're painted, but you might want to figure out which models they actually ARE! The CSM Codex will sort all this out for you. And models can always be repainted so the whole army looks the same on the table.

ashanu90 wrote:also could a make a hybrid army of say tau and empieral guardsmen?

Not legally. You cannot mix troops from different Codexes unless you're playing Apocalypse-sized games. There used to be rules for including humans in Tau armies as Tau auxillaries, but you wouldn't get access to all the good Guard stuff, just regular humans.

ashanu90 wrote:can i make a mix of empieral guardsmen and imperial space marines? i know in the books they often work together

Again, not legally. But in an Apocalypse game then yes. If you had some guard models and some marine models then a workaround would be to play the guard as a Daemonhunter or Witchhunter army, using your regular Guard models as Inquisitorial Stormtroopers. You'd probably need to paint them a certain way for this to work. So then you have a DH/WH army, and take the Space Marines as Inquisitorlal Allies. The rules for this are in the WH and DH codexes.

ashanu90 wrote:also is the painting and putting together hard? it looks hard

Assembly's not hard, you just have to take your time and be careful, otherwise you end up with wonky models and glued together hands!! Simple things, like attach one part at a time, don't use too much glue, and wait for that part to dry before you attach the next part.

Painting is a skill you'll build up over time, but there are a few quick solutions that can help get your first army up to scratch. Have a look at things like coloured spraypaints and washes. A simple sprayed and washed Marine army requires less brush control skill and allows you to 'practise' since you just choose which of the details you think you can handle.

For example, you decide that all your 'different Chaos Marines' are going to be a single Word Bearers Army (Dark Red with silver details). Let's say you then decide that you're only confident enough with your brush control to try painting the shoulder trims and guns for now. You buy a dark red spray and some Badab Black wash, spray the whole army red, and paint the trims and guns silver. Then you paint the whole thing in thinned Badab Black wash, which instantly shades everything. Base the army brown or green and you're done.

Later on, once you're brush control is a bit better, you might have a go at highlighting all the silver. Or maybe you decide to to paint and then try drybrushing all the horns. Or maybe you start using decals to put the Word Bearer logo on all their shoulder pads. The point is that you've already GOT a decent, tabletop quality army that looks uniform, and you can choose which bits to make more detailed as your skill increases.

Yeah the chaos thing agreed you can .I have done that with my army , I have different legions together. I try to give the different warbands , or specific chaos god worshippers for example noise marines , a slight look of my core army . Or at least some theme that runs throughout. I have these vein like tentical things on them made from green stuff on my main army coluor scheme so I put these onto my nosie marines aswell . Plague marines are abit trickier for me with my colour scheme .Just paint a shoulder pad for two in your main or secondary colour .

ArbitorIan wins another thread!

I like how "Imperial" was spelled incorrectly for the Guard, but correctly for the Marines. Epic win

Ugavine wrote:Plastic is oil based, oil is expensive.

Soooooo, when the price of commodities comes down, then the prices for GW finished product goes down as well? I seem to remember back in 2008 when a barrel of oil was trading at $40/barrel, yet my sphess mureenz were still hellaexpensive...

I really wish people would stop using this argument as a justification for prices. Raw materials cost has an extremely low impact on how GW prices their product. Ain't hatin', just statin'.

ArbitorIan wrote:

ashanu90 wrote:i was just wondering why are the minifigs so expensive i found the cheapest entire set was battle for skull pass or something likethat

Not legally. You cannot mix troops from different Codexes unless you're playing Apocalypse-sized games. There used to be rules for including humans in Tau armies as Tau auxillaries, but you wouldn't get access to all the good Guard stuff, just regular humans.

ok thanks for the info but whats an apocalypse sized game? is that when there is more than two players in one game?

You could always look for alternative figures (and even rule sets) to keep costs down.

For example, looking at 15mm figures you can get stuff for Ambush Alley (a set of rules for modern wars) pretty sheap from Rebel Miniatures: http://www.rebelminis.com/amalba.html

The scenario packs have figures for both sides. The rules would cost you a little under 30 bucks printed (cheaper PDF). http://www.ambushalleygames.com/ambush_alley.html

There are also various skirmish rule sets where you can still use detailed 28mm figures but only need 10 or so per side, in MANY different periods from ancients to Sci-Fi to fantasy.

There is a lot more out there than just GW.

Ashau, if the cost of minis themselves is too much money, you can find cheaper stuff in various gaming stores. GW stuff is 28mm, so anything in that area will generally work fairly well.

metallifan wrote:Ashau, if the cost of minis themselves is too much money, you can find cheaper stuff in various gaming stores. GW stuff is 28mm, so anything in that area will generally work fairly well.

I thought games workshop was the only place to get 40k stuff

They're the only company that makes them. But they don't have a monopoly on 28mm miniatures - even though they probably wish they did

As far as stores go, GW also supplies independant retailers. You can go on their website and there's a "find a store" page that lets you search for local independant stores that sell GW stuff. Personally, I prefer this over dealing with Redshirt Gak.

So if i play an apocalypse sized game could i mix something tottaly different like dark eldar and necron armies?
It sounds really cool.
Or is an apocalypese size game just where one player controlls more than one army separately
or is it when more than two players play the game?
Also could one army be controlled by two people? Like a Co-Commander?

metallifan wrote:They're the only company that makes them. But they don't have a monopoly on 28mm miniatures - even though they probably wish they did

As far as stores go, GW also supplies independant retailers. You can go on their website and there's a "find a store" page that lets you search for local independant stores that sell GW stuff. Personally, I prefer this over dealing with Redshirt Gak.

and they tend to have some better paints. GW paints aren't bad but I personally prefer P3 and Reaper. They're cheaper, you get a bit more and for the most part just as high of quality as GW (if not outright higher).

ashanu90 wrote:So if i play an apocalypse sized game could i mix something tottaly different like dark eldar and necron armies?
It sounds really cool.
Or is an apocalypese size game just where one player controlls more than one army separately
or is it when more than two players play the game?
Also could one army be controlled by two people? Like a Co-Commander?

Apocalypse is a game of 40K over 3000 points(per side) with additional special rules and special units. You can play it 1 on 1, with teams, anyway you like.

Platuan4th wrote:

ashanu90 wrote:So if i play an apocalypse sized game could i mix something tottaly different like dark eldar and necron armies?
It sounds really cool.
Or is an apocalypese size game just where one player controlls more than one army separately
or is it when more than two players play the game?
Also could one army be controlled by two people? Like a Co-Commander?

Apocalypse is a game of 40K over 3000 points(per side) with additional special rules and special units. You can play it 1 on 1, with teams, anyway you like.

ok thanks for the info!
so yeah i got another question for you guys at dakka dakka
is there any online browser based free simulators of this game? or are those illegal?
cause i could learn alot from it if its legal

There is Vassal 40K Ver5.2

You might be able to find it still. From what I understand, it's still going strong.

metallifan wrote:There is Vassal 40K Ver5.2

You might be able to find it still. From what I understand, it's still going strong.

ok thanks for the info!
i love these emoticons

No prob. Here's a link to a Vassal thread. There're a few Veteran gamers offering to play rounds with other Dakka users. it'd be a good idea to hit em' up.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/291015.page

HI all.
It just depends what minatures you want and where you get them from.
Wargames Factory and Perry Minatures produce exellent plastic minatures, for around 50p each.

GW charge £1.25 to £5.00 each because they belive their customers will pay this amount.(And to cover the massive overheads of all the B&M stores.)

I got all the minatures for a game of Full Thrust for £2.50 from EM 4 minatures , and downloaded the rules for free.I made terrain and a games mat for less than £10.

So for less than one box of GW minatures I got myself a complete game !

If you just limit yourself from buying from GW, your options on value for money becomes very limited.

TTFN

Because the market will bear it.

To save myself a lot of typing and uploading of graphs, I'm just going to link you to these:

Describes GW and PP pretty well, for various reasons mostly related to the customer base and the idea of the "GW hobby".

Describes "independant" miniatures companies pretty well.